Lutzow10
Freshman
MILWAUKEE PROUD - PANTHER STRONG
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Post by Lutzow10 on Oct 3, 2014 5:18:27 GMT -6
Yes i think that is worse. When was the last time you watched a game at panther arena? it is a much much more comfortable atmosphere to watch a game. If you are taller than 6 foot you have absolutely no room at the BC and the Cell has tons of leg room and larger seats. As for amenities, Yes the BC has nicer ones, but how much do you use the amenities compared to the time you are in your seat watching the game. Comfort obviously is more important on that front. So really the only amenities that BC offers that would be nicer would be bathrooms and luxury boxes, which I grant you would be a very nice plus. Concession improvements really don't matter because odds are less than half of what is open at a bucks game would be open at a wave, panthers, admirals game. And lastly, with the amount of people that attend panthers and wave games, do you know how annoyingly big the BC is to get around and walk around in comparison to panther arena? If leas than half of the arena is being used I really dont like the idea of having to walk around that goliath especially when half of the amenities wouldnt be used. It would be like walking around an almost abandoned mall. At panther arena, that isnt nearly the case. So overall, I am at games to watch them. I have been to plenty of games and events at both arenas and I would take watching a game at panther arena every single time.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Oct 3, 2014 6:57:44 GMT -6
Back from Green Bay ...
Final: Homestead 42, Grafton 10.
I think The Arena beats the BC by the same margin. It isn't really even a contest.
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Post by PantherU on Oct 3, 2014 9:00:52 GMT -6
Basketball in the Arena is fantastic. No one is too far from the action, sight lines were built for basketball, the back row against the wall in the 400 level is actually a pretty interesting spot to take in a game.
The BC was built specifically for hockey, with a much smaller lower bowl and a large upper bowl meant to take in that hockey sight line.
People can come up with their cutesy ideas on how to get rid of the Arena, but the fact of the matter remains this:
THERE IS NO PLACE FOR THE BUCKS, ADMIRALS, WAVE, GOLDEN EAGLES AND PANTHERS TO PLAY IN THE MEAN TIME WHILE THIS 'DREAM' BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED. THE DESTRUCTION OF BOTH WOULD MAKE THE GULF BETWEEN THE LARGEST FACILITY AND THE NEXT-LARGEST ABOUT 15,000, SO THOSE ENTERTAINMENT ACTS WHO ARE TOO BIG FOR 5,000 BUT NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH FOR 20,000 WILL HAVE NOWHERE TO PLAY ONCE IT'S BUILT, AND NO ACT TOO BIG FOR 5,000 WILL HAVE ANYWHERE TO PLAY INDOORS (OR, FOR 8 MONTHS OF THE YEAR) FOR TWO YEARS IN MILWAUKEE.
THIS IS A NON-IDEA. IT'S A "HEY, WOULDN'T THIS BE COOL?" DISTRACTION FROM THE REAL DISCUSSION. THIS WHOLE IDEA EXISTS BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT THE NEW ARENA TO BE ONE WHOLE BLOCK SOUTH OF WHERE THE CURRENT BRADLEY CENTER IS.
I just don't get these yokels who believe that the Arena-BC-Theater-JS space is a solution that could even happen. It's actually easier to make the tight-squeeze west end of Grand Avenue mall idea happen. This is just ridiculous how much these people disregard because they want the ONE WHOLE BLOCK of space south.
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Post by BBFran on Oct 3, 2014 10:33:04 GMT -6
What I find particularly humorous is our GB fan's conviction that the open space on the north side of the BC -- literally, it's adjacent to the BC! -- is "no man's land." I'm looking at it from my office window as we speak. Amazingly, in the last two minutes I haven't seen a single gang fight, carjacking or riot. Looks pretty quiet actually.
Now in fairness, there are other downsides. For example, it would be an extra 45 second walk to Goolsby's.
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Post by DunneDeal on Oct 3, 2014 13:55:03 GMT -6
I think you could capitalize on the Park East by building it the rock field north of the BBC. You open up the land between the new BBC and the Arena as a shopping/parking/restaurant bar district, it will not only help Old World Third but the area in general.
As for the Arena, with the seat changes and scoreboard change, its slowly being retrofitted. Over time you could easily re-do locker rooms and the lover levels of the arena, close it off and expand, if possiable (I'll admit I dont know much in terms of whats available) But I think long term it could be a great Old School arena, that has been updated with the times.
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Oct 3, 2014 14:44:21 GMT -6
What I find particularly humorous is our GB fan's conviction that the open space on the north side of the BC -- literally, it's adjacent to the BC! -- is "no man's land." I'm looking at it from my office window as we speak. Amazingly, in the last two minutes I haven't seen a single gang fight, carjacking or riot. Looks pretty quiet actually. Now in fairness, there are other downsides. For example, it would be an extra 45 second walk to Goolsby's. Normally I wouldn't engage in this banter but for today I can't help myself. Thanks for making my point. "Looks pretty quiet actually." I am not worried about crime, I am worried that there isn't anything else going on around there. That "rock field" has been sitting empty for a decade. Putting the new arena north of the BC and in particular where the Park East was requires a lot more private development dollars to build up the surrounding area that I think are a long way from happening. Banks are not going to lend on a "if you build it they will come basis". Putting it north of the BC in the rock field or even the north parking lot makes it pretty easy for people to come to the edge of downtown, go to their event and then go home without spending extra dollars. Even if it isn't the JS site the arena needs to be somewhere closer to the heart of downtown and draws people in to the other activities and gets them to open their wallets for longer than just the time they are at an event.
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Post by PantherU on Oct 3, 2014 15:16:41 GMT -6
There's no effect from having it one block closer. There's just no benefit. They're virtually in the same place.
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Oct 3, 2014 22:57:17 GMT -6
I know my opinion isn't well received but I do want to comment on a few things.I do go to Panthers games. I go to the GB game obviously. I usually go to 1 to 3 more per year. I have friends who are alumni that like to go. A strong Milwaukee is good for the HL. I strong HL is good for the fans of all of the teams. It gives credit to what we believe in as mid major fans. I just don't want Milwaukee to be stronger than Green Bay!!
The sight line comment is interesting for the BC as it relates to Milwaukee playing there if your arena is no longer available. When you consider the number of people that would go to a Panthers game at the BC would in most cases easily fit on the side of the court and would all be looking at the court with a flush view from end line to end line I don't think the sight lines are viable reason to argue against the BC. The sight lines are bad in the corners which based on the number of people who go to the games most likely wouldn't be used. Those seats aren't great at the UWM Panthers arena either and that is why they have huge black and gold tarps over them.
The idea that the JS site is only a block and therefore not worth it should at least be explored a little more. How many of you would walk from Mo's Irish Pub on Plankinton and Wisconsin to the BC? That is a half mile walk. How many suburban families would make that walk? How many of you would walk from Applebee's on 3rd and Wisconsin to the BC? That is 4/10 of mile. How many suburban family types would do that? If the arena were on the JS site with entrances on 3rd and 4th those distances go down to 3/10 of a mile an 2/10 of a mile and also become a straight shot with the arena in site the entire way. I think more people will make that shorter walk and it would bring WI Ave in play as clearly the BC does not currently do anything for WI Ave. If the new arena moves to the BC north lot those distances increase to 7/10 of a mile from Plankinton and 6/10 of a mile from third. If they go to the rock pile add another 1/10th of a mile on top of that. If the thought of the new arena should be to help spur development I think getting underused buildings on Plankinton, Wells, Third and Wisconsin going are more likely to be in play than starting over north of the BC in a location that has nothing built up right now. Moving closer to downtown even by a few blocks makes it more walkable for people driving in, more walkable for new residents in potential apartments/condos and more walkable for people who go to events after work. You can tell me I am being short sighted and I would accept that, just as I would tell you I am being realistic.
I will concede that having a lot of teams downtown during construction would not be ideal and would create some conflicts if the UWM Panthers arena is coming down. I don't know that a short term problem should be in the way of the long term potential benefit but for sure it would be a tight two years.
I don’t really think the notion that the UWM Panthers Arena is a good spot for small venues holds much weight. In addition to the Panthers, Wave and Brew City Bruisers as regular tenants the Arena has consistently hosted the Tripoli Shrine Circus and Disney on Ice. The circus and Disney are booked for 9 events in the next year along with a Pow Wow and Robotics event for 4 more dates. According to the WCD website since 2011 there have been 9 other concerts/events at the Arena (Blues Fest, Old School Funk, Pulse Milwaukee, New Addition, Latvian Song&Dance, Winter Jam 2013, Kid Cudi, ArenaCross and Lil Boosie). If there were others they weren’t on the website so just know I didn’t exclude them on purpose. The MT had a lot more events in that same time per the website. Holding onto a place for its secondary event potential when it barely hosts secondary events doesn’t hold weight. Please note that by secondary events I am not referring to the Panthers, Wave, Bruisers, Disney or Circus as those are locked in for the arena. Those events surely could fit in at the BC or new arena without a hitch if the staging/setup is done correctly.
Now that number of events for the UWM Panthers Arena may seem like a lot but I see a lot of events at the Bradley Center that would easily fit at the Arena but choose not to go there. James Taylor and Hunter Hays are lower level BC shows in November. Walking w/Dinosaurs is 7 shows using half of the lower level. Sesame Street is 6 shows using half of the lower level. Cirque de Soleil is 6 shows using half of the lower level. That is just in the next 3 months. Earlier this year I was at the Black Keys which was not sold out in the lower level and had drapes over most of the upper level. I was at NML’s convention and they had “FUN” perform. They easily could fit in the lower level if they wanted to. NML walks from the convention center right past the arena to use half of the BC. Why is it that other events walk right past the arena to use just a portion of the BC? More than likely because they consider it a better arena. As a city why wouldn't we want to hold on to our best properties and phase out the dated properties?
I am of the opinion that the Arena is underused and its purpose for small events is an ideal but not a reality based on the amount of bookings it actually has. I am of the opinion that the BC amenities would be a better way to separate money from the pockets of Panthers fans and that is a good thing for the Panthers. I can certainly understand not wanting to give up a place in the Arena that is branded and feels like home for the Panthers to be a tenant somewhere else and yet I would think the amenities and money making potential could be worth the trade.
For me I favor a large scale move to expand the convention center north, maintain the MT, use the JS/UWM site for the new building and use the BC in a scaled back version for the secondary site. I think it creates continuity of the venues but gets the new building closer to the convention center (ie directly connected via skywalk) and closer to areas that are in need of or likely more attainable for redevelopment dollars.
With all of that written I am not here to YELL or call anyone a yokel. If you guys are happy playing at the Arena and want to fight for that I am not going to say you are wrong. I was just throwing out another viewpoint to discuss without being attached to the Panthers Arena as a fan. In the end it is going to come down to what Lasry and Edens want/can afford. They have 40 to 50% of the money ready to go and likely will get some serious corporate dollars behind this as well. I get the feeling we are going to know pretty soon what direction this thing is going. In which case we can circle back to this thread and pound our respective chests about being right or complain about their choice if we were wrong!!
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Post by PantherU on Oct 4, 2014 9:15:04 GMT -6
I wasn't speaking to you directly as much as everyone who thinks tearing down the Arena/Theater/BC is viable. Even if you tear down the Arena and Theater first, the space is not big enough unless you shut down both State and Kilbourn and encroach all the way south over the surface lot.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Oct 4, 2014 9:31:57 GMT -6
Kid Cudi and Lil Boosie?
Oh, brother!
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Post by PantherU on Oct 4, 2014 13:23:33 GMT -6
It's all for ONE BLOCK. ONE BLOCK.
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Post by PantherU on Oct 4, 2014 15:53:26 GMT -6
If it's such a prime spot, why has it been empty for years. Because the anchor of the area is to the south, as well as everything else. Put the new stadium north of the BC, add in a parking garage with street level restaurant/retail space, and the stuff will fill in around it. The city also gets to define a significant amount of space with the area between arenas, which could be used to expand public space, introduce a park or pedestrian mall, any number of things.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Oct 4, 2014 15:56:59 GMT -6
If it's such a prime spot, why has it been empty for years. Because the anchor of the area is to the south, as well as everything else. Put the new stadium north of the BC, add in a parking garage with street level restaurant/retail space, and the stuff will fill in around it. The city also gets to define a significant amount of space with the area between arenas, which could be used to expand public space, introduce a park or pedestrian mall, any number of things. It would be great to have other things grow around that spot, business wise.
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mwu
Sophomore
I am U-Dub U-M
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Post by mwu on Oct 4, 2014 16:42:43 GMT -6
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