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Post by reginaldkdwight on Dec 18, 2023 18:06:56 GMT -6
As for what happened on Friday and this season, why cant anyone provide what happened on here if they are aware? It might clear up the confusion and arguments. All we know is he kicked a ball and got into an argument. I can't believe a D1 head coach would be dismissing players for that. Cause they dont really know, and likely only got fed half the story.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 18, 2023 18:20:38 GMT -6
As for what happened on Friday and this season, why cant anyone provide what happened on here if they are aware? It might clear up the confusion and arguments. All we know is he kicked a ball and got into an argument. I can't believe a D1 head coach would be dismissing players for that. Cause they dont really know, and likely only got fed half the story. Where's Paul Harvey when you need him?
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Post by Petes on Dec 18, 2023 19:19:51 GMT -6
As for what happened on Friday and this season, why cant anyone provide what happened on here if they are aware? It might clear up the confusion and arguments. All we know is he kicked a ball and got into an argument. I can't believe a D1 head coach would be dismissing players for that. Because that’s all there is to the story. Reginald for how much you claim to know about basketball I’d think you would know that JT is out because of the 2 time transfer rule. JJ is the 3rd leading scorer on grambling and back in the conference he had success so is he really “done with college basketball”?
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Post by thetruth on Dec 18, 2023 19:35:44 GMT -6
All I know is getting rid of Browning - especially with no explanation - is not a good look for Lundy. Browning was one of the team's top players last year and is fan favorite. This season is off the rails and likely not going to turn around. What a disappointment.
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Post by milwsport on Dec 18, 2023 19:39:16 GMT -6
Im not ready to condemn Lundy over this. I doubt he would make a move like this without a good reason. It's hard to get a team to play together to listen to the coaches and to give maximum effort when some of its members are not. I remember Jeter booting two highly touted recruits bc they were hurting team morale. Flowers and Sampson were late to practice (if they showed at all ) demanded to made starters etc. The Panthers went on a hot streak after they were dismissed. Players who weren't trying suddenly became valued team mates as they realized their effort was recognized and the two malcontents lack of effort was punished. I dont know if that sort of thing is what happened here but it appears some people think it did.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 18, 2023 19:45:09 GMT -6
Im not ready to condemn Lundy over this. I doubt he would make a move like this without a good reason. It's hard to get a team to play together to listen to the coaches and to give maximum effort when some of its members are not. I remember Jeter booting two highly touted recruits bc they were hurting team morale. Flowers and Sampson were late to practice (if they showed at all ) demanded to made starters etc. The Panthers went on a hot streak after they were dismissed. Players who weren't trying suddenly became valued team mates as they realized their effort was recognized and the two malcontents lack of effort was punished. I dont know if that sort of thing is what happened here but it appears some people think it did. Tim Flowers and Kevin Johnson.
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Post by mattg on Dec 18, 2023 19:57:48 GMT -6
All I know is getting rid of Browning - especially with no explanation - is not a good look for Lundy. Browning was one of the team's top players last year and is fan favorite. This season is off the rails and likely not going to turn around. What a disappointment. I mean have you watched the team this year? Browning has had AWFUL body language from the start of the season. Just so awful where it was getting called out here from the get go because it's so blatantly obvious on TV even. Bad body language is unacceptable. For example go watch the JJ Redick podcast when he talks specifically about how important body language was to Coach K. K would routinely verbally berate kids where it would be called hardcore, scandal-worthy bullying today if they had bad body language.. AT PRACTICE. Let alone in game. If you can't get that under control, get out. Especially in Browning's case where he's been an absolute trash tier player this year. He's been so ungodly bad on the court, terrible defense, and just a complete team tanker offensively with his horrid inefficiency and obscene turnover problems. He'd be useful for a team intentionally trying to lose games, otherwise he's straight up addition by subtraction even if we have to play "untalented scrubs" instead of him...because that's his level of production anyway.
We aren't going to ever get an actual explanation, but it's easy to read between the lines. Browning has a visibly trash attitude and it was obviously affecting numerous other players, and considering he is a massive negative in terms of on court impact, you kick him off the team and hope that helps things. Everyone of course had higher hopes for him given his play last year and his athleticism, but if he is having practice meltdowns while having his in game tantrums and whatnot, then get off the team. Can't let a bad apple spoil the bunch which is obviously happening to some degree.
Lundy's has made plenty of questionable moves (kicking Newby due to style of play then immediately bringing in KP who is like the exact same archetype of player but from D2), getting rid of JT, not being able to recruit for crap...but kicking Markeith is IMO the best roster move he's made. Play the guys who actually want to play as a team, the guys who care, the guys who don't pout like babies, the guys who don't throw on court tantrums, the guys who have some level of self awareness.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 18, 2023 19:58:27 GMT -6
I also wonder what is running through the players' minds. I know numerous players have liked posts on X/Twitter that are pro-Browning. We will see how it shakes out.
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Post by mattg on Dec 18, 2023 20:02:29 GMT -6
I also wonder what is running through the players' minds. I know numerous players have liked posts on X/Twitter that are pro-Browning. We will see how it shakes out. Honestly then they can go to. Bart sucks and isn't the guy, but Browning is a bum. Bart needs to have a heart to heart with the team and explain that "hey, terrible body language and bad attitude isn't tolerated. If anyone else here thinks that having players/teammates like that on the team is conducive to winning then the door is that way, see ya".
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Post by FTA1982 on Dec 18, 2023 20:07:53 GMT -6
As for what happened on Friday and this season, why cant anyone provide what happened on here if they are aware? It might clear up the confusion and arguments. All we know is he kicked a ball and got into an argument. I can't believe a D1 head coach would be dismissing players for that. Because that’s all there is to the story. So, as someone who defended Lundy's coaching post GB and UC-Davis, have you changed your opinion? In the end, the story you confirmed doesn't add up to me. Or Lundy truly is the thinnest skinned coach around.
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Post by mattg on Dec 18, 2023 20:16:14 GMT -6
Because that’s all there is to the story. So, as someone who defended Lundy's coaching post GB and UC-Davis, have you changed your opinion? In the end, the story you confirmed doesn't add up to me. Or Lundy truly is the thinnest skinned coach around. Obviously there's more. Browning has had visibly trash body language in game all season, you're telling me he never showed that in practice? It's just a coincidence that the guys from last year all happen to be pouty, whiny babies on the court while producing like garbage and getting benched while being called out for their entitlement and attitude?
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Dec 18, 2023 20:35:00 GMT -6
As for what happened on Friday and this season, why cant anyone provide what happened on here if they are aware? It might clear up the confusion and arguments. All we know is he kicked a ball and got into an argument. I can't believe a D1 head coach would be dismissing players for that. Because that’s all there is to the story. Reginald for how much you claim to know about basketball I’d think you would know that JT is out because of the 2 time transfer rule. JJ is the 3rd leading scorer on grambling and back in the conference he had success so is he really “done with college basketball”? Literally can get waivers to play the next season, but clearly he didnt do that. and i said dont playing college ball HERE key word here.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Dec 18, 2023 20:46:27 GMT -6
I also wonder what is running through the players' minds. I know numerous players have liked posts on X/Twitter that are pro-Browning. We will see how it shakes out. These dudes need a come to jesus moment then, do you wanna play D1 ball or not? Cause no one outside of BJ is some hot commodity in the portal.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Dec 18, 2023 21:07:04 GMT -6
Cause they dont really know, and likely only got fed half the story. Where's Paul Harvey when you need him? Then we would "know the rest of the story." Good Day!
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Post by PantherU on Dec 18, 2023 21:25:39 GMT -6
I mean I know nothing more than what's been shared here. He blew his gasket, punted a basketball and got kicked off the team. Do I believe that's all there is? No, of course not. But I believe that could be the "straw that broke the camel's back" and if it were incident 5 or 6 or 10, I could see that being the final nail in the coffin.
I don't know if he's the source of all the discontent. I strongly doubt that. I do know that most times he touched the ball this season he was playing hero ball. I do know he HAS been discontent. A week ago I spent the whole weekend rewatching the entire season and HOO BOY he was not a happy camper.
Putting any of this on Amanda is, frankly, ridiculous. What is she supposed to have done or not done in the last couple years to bring us to this point? Hire a different coach? The only coach we interviewed who had a dead-to-rights better resume than Lundy was Ben McCollum, and this past offseason he turned down seven figure jobs to stay with SW Missouri State. That guy's going straight to a high-major. If Louisville were smart they'd throw the checkbook at him and tell him to write the number.
Lundy had the best resume. So if it's not the hire, what could Amanda have done? She didn't give Lundy the big contract extension we were all worrying about when Charlotte showed interest. Is she supposed to micromanage him during the season?
Maybe this is for the best for everyone involved. I certainly hold no ill will toward Markeith. I hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. It was a pleasure watching him play for years here and like Cactus said earlier, it's better this happens in a down season than in the middle of a title race.
I'm still showing up Friday. This is still our program.
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