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Post by Cactus Panther on May 12, 2021 14:36:07 GMT -6
There has been considerable debate on this forum regarding the impact PBJ's decision to play for Milwaukee has on the program. The debate will likely continue for at least the next year.
One thing we should all be able to agree on is that for the first time in several years, the program has relevance. Look at all the headlines today on JS Online:
* Sussex Hamilton forward Patrick Baldwin Jr. was recruited by Duke, Georgetown but commits to UW-Milwaukee
* Patrick Baldwin Jr. has committed to UW-Milwaukee. Here's the scouting report on what the Panthers can expect
* UW-Milwaukee gets some good news in another eventful offseason with commitment of Patrick Baldwin Jr.
* Milwaukee coach Patrick Baldwin Sr. talks about his latest recruit, his son
* Patrick Baldwin Jr., one of the state's highest-rated basketball recruits ever, will play at UW-Milwaukee. Here's how Twitter reacted
It has been hard to get this many characters in a game story, let alone in just one day of headlines during the offseason.
Prior to the announcement, I listened to about 15 minutes of Milwaukee radio - Bart Winkler on WSSP. He was talking about it as well.
How else does PBJ's decision establish current relevance for the program? Going forward, perhaps we can list instances of the impact in this thread, not only from today's announcement but through at least the end of PBJ's time here.
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Post by nickpanther78 on May 12, 2021 20:16:49 GMT -6
Honestly, this is big in so many ways. Attendance will sky rocket, which will bring much needed revenue as well. He is a projected top 10 pick, so hopefully it helps with local recruitment. They will get more tv time as well. Its an exciting, and I have been smiling all day.
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Nov 23, 2021 20:56:51 GMT -6
This thread hasn't aged well. Local coverage (or lack thereof) is the same as it's always been. Oblivious.
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Post by PantherU on Nov 24, 2021 10:44:00 GMT -6
This thread hasn't aged well. Local coverage (or lack thereof) is the same as it's always been. Oblivious. Hey, one thing that's cool about it is we've gotten talked about on a national podcast. After the Florida blowout, Jeff Goodman brought up on a podcast that PBJ should have committed earlier in his senior year so his dad would have the whole year to recruit a team to build around him. He even mentioned specifically that Te'Jon Lucas may have stayed if he were sure he'd have been able to play with a 5-star recruit. I don't know how much that's true, I think Lucas would have left either way, but I do know that recruiting would have gone a lot better if PBS hadn't been shopping for a new job and keeping PBJ uncommitted until deeeeeeeeep into the calendar.
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Post by buppie05 on Nov 24, 2021 11:28:49 GMT -6
This thread hasn't aged well. Local coverage (or lack thereof) is the same as it's always been. Oblivious. Hey, one thing that's cool about it is we've gotten talked about on a national podcast. After the Florida blowout, Jeff Goodman brought up on a podcast that PBJ should have committed earlier in his senior year so his dad would have the whole year to recruit a team to build around him. He even mentioned specifically that Te'Jon Lucas may have stayed if he were sure he'd have been able to play with a 5-star recruit. I don't know how much that's true, I think Lucas would have left either way, but I do know that recruiting would have gone a lot better if PBS hadn't been shopping for a new job and keeping PBJ uncommitted until deeeeeeeeep into the calendar. This team doesn’t suffer from a lack of talent IMO. The thing PBS is good at IMO is recruiting.
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Post by BBFran on Nov 24, 2021 11:50:18 GMT -6
[/quote]This team doesn’t suffer from a lack of talent IMO. The thing PBS is good at IMO is recruiting. [/quote]
This is spectacularly not true. This team has VERY little talent, and PBS has shown himself to be a VERY poor recruiter.
How in the world do you do you even come up with this take? Look at this team: without PBJ it's the same thing it has always been under Baldwin, a team that's at best scrabbling to try to get out of the second division of a very poor low mid-major league. The difference in the quality of talent now as compared to 2014-16 is off the charts. Other than PBJ there's not a player on the roster who would get even a late rotation spot at a high major program this year. PBS is clearly not a good head coach, but the talent level of our program has also fallen precipitously.
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Post by uwmpanther on Nov 24, 2021 12:05:38 GMT -6
... but I do know that recruiting would have gone a lot better if PBS hadn't been shopping for a new job and keeping PBJ uncommitted until deeeeeeeeep into the calendar. Maybe it would have helped recruiting JC transfers, but would it have made a difference for recruiting incoming freshmen? Why would someone base a four-year college decision on the opportunity to play one year (and only one year) with a high-level recruit?
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Post by buppie05 on Nov 24, 2021 12:14:34 GMT -6
JT, Melo, VBJ, PBJ, Dree all 5 of these guys could play in a better league. The team shows flashes of brilliance, but can’t sustain it. We can only hope they can get it together sometime this year, because the talent is, in fact, there.
Yeah it’s frustrating that the Horizon is now a joke. We used to compete with the WCC for conference RPI, hovering around 10th, just 10-15 years ago. The WCC this year is now one of the best, if not the best, conference in the country. We are teetering on low major. The Panthers sure look like a middle of the pack team in a bad conference.
I’m optimistic this team will find a Rhythm, because the talent is there. We can beat any team in this conference, including Oakland, if we can start playing as a team. It’s as simple as that.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Nov 24, 2021 12:53:14 GMT -6
I continue to love and appreciate your optimism, Buppie. We need some of that on here for balance.
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Post by BBFran on Nov 24, 2021 13:11:40 GMT -6
Playground talent and basketball talent are two VERY different things. Moments of brilliance don’t cut it in a 40 minute game that requires skill, smarts, resolve and endurance in ADDITION to athletic ability. Maybe PBS doesn’t see the difference. More likely, these guys are as good as he can recruit. We have seen it fir 4+ years.
If ANY of these players had a real opportunity at a high major, he simply wouldn’t be playing for us. There has been a near total wide open transfer market for nearly two years. That should tell you something.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 13:30:57 GMT -6
JT, Melo, VBJ, PBJ, Dree all 5 of these guys could play in a better league. The team shows flashes of brilliance, but can’t sustain it. We can only hope they can get it together sometime this year, because the talent is, in fact, there. Yeah it’s frustrating that the Horizon is now a joke. We used to compete with the WCC for conference RPI, hovering around 10th, just 10-15 years ago. The WCC this year is now one of the best, if not the best, conference in the country. We are teetering on low major. The Panthers sure look like a middle of the pack team in a bad conference. I’m optimistic this team will find a Rhythm, because the talent is there. We can beat any team in this conference, including Oakland, if we can start playing as a team. It’s as simple as that. I agree. Get some rest. Air out the differences. Spend some time with family. And then let's get back to playing like we care about winning games and not individual stat lines. Nobody remembers teams that don't play into March. And your team recognition can affect your professional prospects, if playing for a pro career is what anyone on this team has as their primary focus (I choose not to believe this). The guys from PBS to starters to the team managers need to clear the air, that much seems for sure.
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Post by DunneDeal on Nov 24, 2021 13:51:14 GMT -6
This team is another group of guys who have tons of talent.
This is like last year and the year before.
What is the common thread. We have POOR COACHING. Simple.
I've never been less interested in the Panthers in my life. Even with PBJ coming, it gave me a glimmer of hope, but watching/listening to games shows me that the COACH is the issue.
Coaching does wonders. Bruce had it, Jeter had it sometimes, and since then we, Panther Nation, have had nothing to look forward to.
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Post by PantherU on Nov 24, 2021 14:07:26 GMT -6
since then we, Panther Nation, have had nothing to look forward to. Thank god the Bucks are awesome
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Nov 24, 2021 14:08:56 GMT -6
The basketball IQ of the players in how to play the game of college basketball has been terrible under Baldwin. Yes, some have talent. Yet, they are not taught to play team basketball.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Nov 24, 2021 14:14:19 GMT -6
since then we, Panther Nation, have had nothing to look forward to. Thank god the Bucks are awesome Wake me up when the playoffs start.
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