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Post by Pantherholic on May 7, 2013 14:37:20 GMT -6
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Post by DunneDeal on May 7, 2013 14:41:17 GMT -6
Loyola replaced. Now we need to fill the spot left by Butler, and I dont mean level of program, just spots.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on May 7, 2013 14:52:21 GMT -6
Oakland is a big step up from Loyola.
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Post by GoPanthers33 on May 7, 2013 21:46:08 GMT -6
Oakland is a big step up from Loyola. Agreed. Much better then Loyola. Welcome to the Horizon League Oakland! |
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Post by ghostofdylan on May 8, 2013 8:54:27 GMT -6
Oakland is a big step up from Loyola. Good luck convincing Detroit of that. From a competitive standpoint, though, there's no doubt. |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on May 8, 2013 11:41:43 GMT -6
I'm very happy the HL will still be at 9 teams for this season. I hope the league can pick up team ten to go back to 18 league games.
“Moving to the Horizon League allows us to associate and compete with institutions with outstanding academic profiles and values,” Oakland director of athletics Tracy Huth said. “They emphasize the experience of the student-athlete. It also gives us the opportunity to play the University of Detroit Mercy on a regular basis for some spirited metro Detroit competition.”
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jun 4, 2013 9:19:36 GMT -6
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Post by DunneDeal on Jun 4, 2013 11:52:28 GMT -6
Not mine. All I see is this kid killing us from outside in crucial home game.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jun 4, 2013 12:34:58 GMT -6
Not mine. All I see is this kid killing us from outside in (a) crucial home game. All I see is everyone killing us from everywhere ... or in reality us killing ourselves by every means. |
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Post by kingsteve on Jun 4, 2013 12:53:55 GMT -6
Hopefully whatever killing occurs the scene of the crime will be at the U S Cellular Arena not the Klotsche.....seems to be taking awhile here... hopefully not an indication that at the end of the day we end up back at our high school gym aka Klotsche Center. Get it done soon Amanda as it is going to take time and effort to get some buzz back and contact season ticket holders who either left last year, are wavering on renewing this year or like me will continue to buy but if at the KC show up much less often..
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Post by Super King on Jun 4, 2013 14:41:48 GMT -6
That's cool and all, but are you going to pay the lease? because last I checked it had crippled our athletics budget.
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Post by kingsteve on Jun 4, 2013 14:53:29 GMT -6
Super King.
We did not really lose money down there per se but yes, saving the lease money by going to KC was a factor in that by being on campus we did not have to pay a lease at all but the amount is really not that great when compared to the entire deficit. In fact sinking another million bucks into an unsustainable joke of a facility, paying Geiger $200,000, overpaying Jeter grossly, paying off Koonce, Costello etc all make the U S Cellular impact somewhat minor in the great scheme of things. Beyond that consider the impact of lower season tickets, less coverage, lower donations etc which are all happening due to the move back to KC it is penny wise dollar foolish short term thinking. What has c ontributed most to the large deficit and are we going to make it better by sinking the mens basketball program into obscurity? At what price do we save some dollars on renting a decent facility vs the whole shooting match being diminished in revenue and success?? How can we NOT go back? All we did with the KC mo was throw a bunch of money into crappy video boards etc and the season ticket base is going south. We need to correc this immediately... No I do not personally have the money to pay the lease wise. a ...do you have the money to further fund an even larger deficit if we do not go back?
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Post by PantherU on Jun 4, 2013 16:46:48 GMT -6
That's cool and all, but are you going to pay the lease? because last I checked it had crippled our athletics budget. A few things. 1. It crippled the athletics budget only if you see the university owing itself money as debt. This is an institution with a $700 million budget. The debt was "borrowed" from then-future increases to science programs' budget. The science department didn't lose that money anyway; the increase was instead covered by grants, patent money and fundraising. I don't know why this point has to be made repeatedly. 2. You're assuming that the lease will be the same as it was before, something like $300,000 once you take in lost revenue of concessions and parking. However, the past year spent in the Klotsche Center shows the WCD that the university has an option; we obviously prefer the Arena, but we are not above playing at the KC. This is an important bargaining chip that will likely knock down their asking price. 3. Even with all this, we didn't lose that much in the Arena before - only about $30,000 overall the last season in there. The WCD doesn't have to come down too much for us to become profitable. I don't think the Wisconsin Center District is the problem; we didn't negotiate tough and ended up losing out on the deal. At the end of the day, what's more important is that the university administration has completely failed to increase its support for the athletics program, going the other way. In 2005-06 (the first year after athletics moved from Administrative Affairs to Student Affairs), the UWM budget reflected a $2.11 million contribution from the university budget to athletics, with another $3.45 million coming from student segregated fees. Fast track to the 2012-13 budget, and the amount coming from the university is $1.997 million while students have almost increased their contribution to $5.38 million. That's a 55% increase from students and a 6% decrease from the university. The budget this year is $704 million. The budget in 2005-06 was $490 million. The university has $215 million more at its disposal, yet students are now putting in $2 million more than they did back then and the university gets to scale back its contribution? There's the problem. So let's not act like this "debt" is anything more than a load of sh*t. The university, thanks to explosion in research, has a ton of money more than it did then. However, the administration has balked at paying for anything. Chancellor Lovell is a fan of sports. Of course he is, he's big on running and I've seen him at countless soccer and basketball games - he made an appearance at every baseball game I attended this year. He went to bat for athletics, getting the Student Association to give more money - a lot more money as you can see above, to the tune of nearly $100 more per student per year. But he's not going to pay for it himself. Trust me when I say this - if the university had increased its portion of the athletics budget like the students did, we'd have far fewer problems than we do now. The university needs to get off the bench and get in the game. Chancellor Lovell can no longer be just a fan. His legacy is tied directly to athletics, just as it is to Innovation Park and the school's research. |
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