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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 9, 2012 11:36:21 GMT -6
There's one team in the league that so far hasn't performed like a low-major and it's UIC. Yesterday, the No. 40 Flames defeated RPI No. 25 Colorado State at the Pavilion. This gives UIC wins over MAAC favorite Iona, A-Sun favorite Mercer, No. 58 Northwestern and Colorado State.
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Post by GoPanthers33 on Dec 9, 2012 18:21:45 GMT -6
Until we have our conference champion getting 15 and 16 seeds on a regular basis it is still a mid major conference.
Last year was the lowest seed the conference has received in a long time.
Generally the HL has a team seeded 12ish with 9's and 14's once in a while.
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Post by gman2 on Dec 9, 2012 18:29:58 GMT -6
Starting in 2013, I think we will start seeing the Horizon League entrant in the NCAA tourny receiving low seeds on a regular basis.
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Post by tyrunner0097 on Dec 9, 2012 18:40:32 GMT -6
Outside of UIC right now, who is even WORTH being D1, period??
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Post by GB BB is Back! on Dec 29, 2012 10:21:19 GMT -6
With the Horizon League now sitting at 12th in conference RPI entering the final weekend of non-conference play, I had to read through this thread again for a good laugh. As I said on our site before the season started, the HL with finish this season ranked higher in RPI without Butler than it finished last season with Butler. Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of math could see that, though most media clowns like Andy Katz predicted otherwise.
The HL is on solid ground will be able to add some outstanding members if it chooses. Belmont has a higher RPI than Butler right now, and was much higher than Butler last year.
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Post by mcdadenets50 on Dec 29, 2012 12:44:28 GMT -6
With the Horizon League now sitting at 12th in conference RPI entering the final weekend of non-conference play, I had to read through this thread again for a good laugh. As I said on our site before the season started, the HL with finish this season ranked higher in RPI without Butler than it finished last season with Butler. Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of math could see that, though most media clowns like Andy Katz predicted otherwise. The HL is on solid ground will be able to add some outstanding members if it chooses. Belmont has a higher RPI than Butler right now, and was much higher than Butler last year. Butler is 6th Belmont is 17th www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.htmlAnd Milwaukee is 320!
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Post by PANTHERfan on Dec 30, 2012 0:05:45 GMT -6
Gb's Cinderella lost tonight.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 30, 2012 11:46:50 GMT -6
With the Horizon League now sitting at 12th in conference RPI entering the final weekend of non-conference play, I had to read through this thread again for a good laugh. As I said on our site before the season started, the HL with finish this season ranked higher in RPI without Butler than it finished last season with Butler. Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of math could see that, though most media clowns like Andy Katz predicted otherwise. The HL is on solid ground will be able to add some outstanding members if it chooses. Belmont has a higher RPI than Butler right now, and was much higher than Butler last year. The league appears to be on reasonably solid ground if it makes good decisions in expansion. But to suggest that it doesn't miss Butler -- with nearly as many wins over BCS opponents this season (5) as Milwaukee has in its program history (7) -- is pure folly. We're still looking at a 14-15 seed for our conference champion.
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Post by GB BB is Back! on Dec 31, 2012 11:50:53 GMT -6
With the Horizon League now sitting at 12th in conference RPI entering the final weekend of non-conference play, I had to read through this thread again for a good laugh. As I said on our site before the season started, the HL with finish this season ranked higher in RPI without Butler than it finished last season with Butler. Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of math could see that, though most media clowns like Andy Katz predicted otherwise. The HL is on solid ground will be able to add some outstanding members if it chooses. The league appears to be on reasonably solid ground if it makes good decisions in expansion. But to suggest that it doesn't miss Butler -- with nearly as many wins over BCS opponents this season (5) as Milwaukee has in its program history (7) -- is pure folly. We're still looking at a 14-15 seed for our conference champion. Who is suggesting anything pertaining to Butler? The premise of this thread was that the HL has become a low major, based on some premature RPI rankings. The HL has not only cemented it elf as a mid-major, but has improved over the level it was at last season, thanks to contributions by 8 of its members. The League is not looking at a 14-15 seed either. Jerry Palm projected before this weekend the HL representative would be a 13 seed. Since that projection, the HL knocked off top 50 RPI Canisius, top 50 RPI Murray St on the road, and DePaul on the road. Assuming HL tourney champ is one of its top teams, that team will get a 13 seed, 12 if someone really gets hot.
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Post by GB BB is Back! on Dec 31, 2012 11:52:05 GMT -6
With the Horizon League now sitting at 12th in conference RPI entering the final weekend of non-conference play, I had to read through this thread again for a good laugh. As I said on our site before the season started, the HL with finish this season ranked higher in RPI without Butler than it finished last season with Butler. Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of math could see that, though most media clowns like Andy Katz predicted otherwise. The HL is on solid ground will be able to add some outstanding members if it chooses. Belmont has a higher RPI than Butler right now, and was much higher than Butler last year. Butler is 6th Belmont is 17th www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.htmlYour correct, I was looking at the expected RPI column on that site by mistake.
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Post by Title on Dec 31, 2012 13:51:18 GMT -6
Everyone understands why expected RPI (or other forward-looking metrics) have issues right now? Preseason ratings: Why weight?---------------------- Simply, they aren't "rankings", they are a statistical attempt at projecting incremental games. The ranking mechanism is biased to preseason rankings until nearly February because of the rules of statistical significance. In short, they are the polar opposite of RPI (or ELO Chess) which rank what has happened. They attempt to "rank" what is to come. It'll be interesting to see what happens when Ken gets around to implementing his MOV cap (ie beating Alcorn State by 30 and 60 is the same thing). He said previously he was looking at that and understands the problem no cap presents. As it relates to this, Butler will "magically" jump up the Pomeroy Ratings sometime around February 1, which in turn will "magically" move them up things that use them as a derivative ------------------------------------------- Its just not something that is intended to be used in that capacity. The fact that the people at RPIForecast (and other places) use it that way, is the reason they get result sets that look suspect.
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