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Post by Pantherholic on Jun 28, 2012 19:10:17 GMT -6
So, that's it? We shouldn't even have the coaches and players try to sell the program? Let's just have a participation sport, draw 700, drop down to D-3 and curl up in the fetal position. They need everyone to sell the program. I'd be stunned if the Marketing dept isn't working on various projects right now. I'd be just as stunned if they found out about this like we did. I'm definitely intrigued how they'll spin this once we all receive the season-ticket renewal forms. I also completely agree that there's no way in hell I'm sitting on bleachers! |
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Post by PANTHERfan on Jun 28, 2012 22:15:09 GMT -6
I'm stunned that a supposed high hi-mid major would make a decision so decisive that it would fracture its precious few loyal, hardcore, bleeding black and gold fans. Tell me again how a marketing campaign like this is good in the long run? Haven't heard that one argued logically yet.
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Post by PantherU on Jun 29, 2012 0:03:23 GMT -6
I'm stunned that a supposed high hi-mid major would make a decision so decisive that it would fracture its precious few loyal, hardcore, bleeding black and gold fans. Tell me again how a marketing campaign like this is good in the long run? Haven't heard that one argued logically yet. Well, for one, it's not a marketing campaign. It's a decision that on the surface, with what we know today, hurts marketing. For those who have computer speakers, I'll point to Geiger's appearance on 1250 WSSP. I am much, much more comfortable with the move after listening to him here. That said, this is still very risky. |
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Post by kingsteve on Jun 29, 2012 7:39:02 GMT -6
For mer personally Tyrunner0097 summed it up exactly. They owe us this. This is the least they can do and is not unreasonable or misleading. In the absence of this it is obvious they really do not yet have firm vision or commitment, are hedging their bets or even worse plan on very likely possibility if not probability that the future is an updated (what a joke) KC with practice facility attached and hopefully better locker rooms as recruiting is going to be interesting. HL has given them a waiver so they are already set there. If they are banking on filling up the garbage can to the tune of 3,000 per game they may be setting up for failure as if they are banking on that gery risky. I am more along the lines of make a darn commitment to a new arena, announce it, and the funding will come somehow through a combination of segregated fees and donations, building funds etc. Make it a convocation center. If you build it they will come but going back to KC with no assurances or firm justification could be a road to a diminsihed crap program, ie. what we used to be. Maybe that is what they want or at least willing to accept for financial and neighborhood reasons.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jun 29, 2012 9:41:46 GMT -6
I'd be stunned if the Marketing dept isn't working on various projects right now. I think that ... and then my mind drifts back to the Western Michigan fiasco. Were there even two dozen students on hand that ill-fated night? |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jun 29, 2012 10:02:12 GMT -6
Just spent 20 minutes or so flipping back through the Western Michigan thread from 2010 and I found this nugget from the poster known as Fran ...
"As for the whole Klotsche 'experience' -- it was a travesty. The simple truth is that we should never again play in that building unless and until it's for a short transition period into a new on-campus facility, which last night's travesty convinces me even more is absolutely necessary. How do we expect students and other fans to respect the program, to actually want to see the games, if it's being treated as a third-class citizen? There are high school gyms better than the Klotsche."
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Post by uwmplanner on Jun 29, 2012 10:06:34 GMT -6
media.sportsradio1250.com/a/58368823/6-27-12-uwm-ad-andy-geiger.htm?pageid=911300People should really go listen to this interview. It seems apparent to me that the move is temporary and this move is the first leading up to a new facility on campus. I think the annual savings of $230,000 could be used to add things to the KC like better scoreboards and videoboard. Which are items that could easily be moved to a new arena. I don't think the KC ideal but the Cell is NOT the long term answer and Geiger knows it. Sure this will piss off some fans but if you are a true fan of Milwaukee Panthers basketball you will suck it up for a few years and head to campus and watch games. The one thing I wish they would've done better is have a plan in place saying we are moving here for 3 years to save some $$$ while our nice new facility is being built on campus. I think if people knew a definite timeline it would ease alot of fears regarding the move to KC.
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Post by gman2 on Jun 29, 2012 10:51:52 GMT -6
" There are high school gyms better than the Klotsche." In KC's present condition, the West Allis Central Field House has a better concessions area and might be bigger inside. So there is at least one example. |
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Post by gman2 on Jun 29, 2012 10:56:20 GMT -6
How long will it take to get a new arena built? With the time needed to get the funding in place, approvals that are needed, and likely court challenges from local residents, it could be years before anything close to a new arena goes up.
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Post by kingsteve on Jun 29, 2012 11:34:21 GMT -6
Gman and everyone, Sounds like we are starting from square one just beginining to weigh the options??? Hello?  ?? What has the university being doing the last how many years and athletic dept. We are not just starting the process of a master plan??? I thought the there was previous approval by the Student Assn to raise segregated fees and there was a direct linkage to the extra money going to a new on campus arena? Are we back to square one ?? If so you are talking light years down the road. Get ready for a long and possibley permanent stay at the KC garbage can. |
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Post by blackcatinorange on Jun 29, 2012 12:01:46 GMT -6
Just spent 20 minutes or so flipping back through the Western Michigan thread from 2010 and I found this nugget from the poster known as Fran ... "As for the whole Klotsche 'experience' -- it was a travesty. The simple truth is that we should never again play in that building unless and until it's for a short transition period into a new on-campus facility, which last night's travesty convinces me even more is absolutely necessary. How do we expect students and other fans to respect the program, to actually want to see the games, if it's being treated as a third-class citizen? There are high school gyms better than the Klotsche." +1 |
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Post by kingsteve on Jun 29, 2012 12:02:57 GMT -6
Ok, I am back in and taking a leap of faith here. Just listened to the Andy Geiger podcast. It would have been great if they would have included a bit more of these comments in the press release. He did say there is going to be a capital campaign forthcoming and I do not think it is going to have to wait years and years for vetting some yet another master plan. Realistically though it could be quite awhile as he did mention in the interview "over the next decade" which is a bit freaky but hopefully will not take that long if the wheels start moving. Sounds like the plan is to do something with baseball whether enhancing Lincold Park or elsewhere, practice facility next to KC, maybe a bubble dome for track and baseball practice and we are on our way with the jewel in the crown a capital campaign for an on campus arena. I think he also smartly or shrewdly mentioned it would be a multi purpose convocation center which would probably make more palatable for the dual purpsoses of funding or acceptance by the neighborhood. I can not only feel comfortable renewing season tickets but also working to persuade others to do so as if there is the stated and implied intent of a capital campaign and new arena coming down the line the fact this would be temporary, supporting that goal and also provides seating preference at new facility down the road that is all good. Just hope it does not take a decade but it is what it is. In all these areas the students and student athletes deserve better and this seems to be the goal so I am back in the fold fwiw
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Post by PantherU on Jun 29, 2012 13:40:34 GMT -6
How long will it take to get a new arena built? With the time needed to get the funding in place, approvals that are needed, and likely court challenges from local residents, it could be years before anything close to a new arena goes up. Generally, construction itself takes 18-24 months. If they're doing something like gutting the Klotsche Center, lowering the floor to base level (to allow for much more seating) and building inside there, it may take just an off-season, as Loyola just did with the Gentile Center. Of course, you will need indoor training space for some sports in the April to October construction time frame, but I think Engelmann Gym would accomplish most of that and track athletes can suck it up by running in the Pavilion. As far as challenges from local residents are concerned, they amounted to about two weeks in each of our last two projects - lights on Engelmann (2006) and the new FieldTurf at Engelmann (2010) - the residents got all hot and bothered, and it didn't make a damn difference. Now that the team will already be playing at the Klotsche Center, neighbors gripes will be about moving from 3,400 to 6k-7k and not 0 to 6-7k, which is a huge difference. In the PantherU Podcast last night, Tony Paulis (Masters in Accounting from UWM) and I talked about what this move to the Klotsche Center meant from a financial standpoint and how that will affect the new arena. Put simply, there's a lot to gain here financially. I'm working on a post right now to explain what money we can expect exactly from the move. I'll post it here when it's finished. I'm happy with it. |
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Post by PantherU on Jun 29, 2012 13:42:01 GMT -6
Ok, I am back in and taking a leap of faith here. Just listened to the Andy Geiger podcast. It would have been great if they would have included a bit more of these comments in the press release. He did say there is going to be a capital campaign forthcoming and I do not think it is going to have to wait years and years for vetting some yet another master plan. Realistically though it could be quite awhile as he did mention in the interview "over the next decade" which is a bit freaky but hopefully will not take that long if the wheels start moving. Sounds like the plan is to do something with baseball whether enhancing Lincold Park or elsewhere, practice facility next to KC, maybe a bubble dome for track and baseball practice and we are on our way with the jewel in the crown a capital campaign for an on campus arena. I think he also smartly or shrewdly mentioned it would be a multi purpose convocation center which would probably make more palatable for the dual purpsoses of funding or acceptance by the neighborhood. I can not only feel comfortable renewing season tickets but also working to persuade others to do so as if there is the stated and implied intent of a capital campaign and new arena coming down the line the fact this would be temporary, supporting that goal and also provides seating preference at new facility down the road that is all good. Just hope it does not take a decade but it is what it is. In all these areas the students and student athletes deserve better and this seems to be the goal so I am back in the fold fwiw Glad to see that though your faith wavered a bit, you're still on. Welcome back Steve! |
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Post by Pantherholic on Jun 29, 2012 14:23:42 GMT -6
It would have been great if they would have included a bit more of these comments in the press release. No kidding! Definite PR fail with the initial announcement. He did say there is going to be a capital campaign forthcoming and I do not think it is going to have to wait years and years for vetting some yet another master plan. Realistically though it could be quite awhile as he did mention in the interview "over the next decade" which is a bit freaky but hopefully will not take that long if the wheels start moving. Geiger spoke of fundraising for all the facilities "over the next decade". From how I interpreted the interview the line of priority is #1 Bball practice facility #2 Convocation center. |
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?? What has the university being doing the last how many years and athletic dept. We are not just starting the process of a master plan??? I thought the there was previous approval by the Student Assn to raise segregated fees and there was a direct linkage to the extra money going to a new on campus arena? Are we back to square one ?? If so you are talking light years down the road. Get ready for a long and possibley permanent stay at the KC garbage can. 