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Post by Super King on Feb 10, 2012 20:33:30 GMT -6
For whatever it's worth at this point, UWM is 26-33 (79%) from the foul line in its last two games.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2012 20:33:39 GMT -6
@adriantigert: Panther followers and fans; losing in that fashion is bad enough. Complaining about the officiating only makes it worse. #losewithclass I respectfully disagree with AT on this one. If the HL isn't called out on their antics (and officiating), nothing is going to change. |
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Post by PANTHERfan on Feb 10, 2012 20:34:03 GMT -6
Who cares
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Post by tyrunner0097 on Feb 10, 2012 20:35:17 GMT -6
@adriantigert: Panther followers and fans; losing in that fashion is bad enough. Complaining about the officiating only makes it worse. #losewithclass Lose with class in a league that has none? No thanks!! |
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Post by Super King on Feb 10, 2012 20:41:18 GMT -6
Shaq played a great game tonight aside from getting trapped so much. We got 15 points off the bench; we usually end up with 5 or 6. We made our free throws, played excellent defense, and got jobbed. Our only sin was the turnovers.
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Post by PantherU on Feb 10, 2012 22:42:25 GMT -6
Turnovers kept this game close. If the Panthers had taken care of the ball, nothing the refs or Detroit did could stop them.
As it stands, they got careless with the ball in too many possessions.
That said, I think you're being awfully naive if you completely discount the fact that poor, one-sided officiating took a victory and made it a loss. I can't tell you how many times Will Haskett and the color commentator called referee decisions into question.
I thought the perfect illustration was in the final possession, when our inbound was tipped out of bounds by Ray McCallum Jr. (I watched the replay seven times) and it was called out on Paris Gulley, setting up the inbound where Gulley fouled and Detroit took the lead.
It wasn't necessarily the non-call that irked me. It took me until the fourth time viewing to be sure it was McCallum and not Gulley that knocked it out, and even then I watched it three more times.
It was the fact that Jeter was clamoring for them to take another look, check out the monitor. For a game that was that close with so little time remaining, taking a second look to confirm the ball belonged to Detroit (it didn't) would not have been over-officiating.
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Post by BBFran on Feb 10, 2012 23:02:22 GMT -6
I just got back to my hotel after attending the game, then making a 40 mile drive through near blizzard conditions and having a very late dinner.
Anyway, I was sitting just a few feet behind the bench, so I had a front row seat for this tragedy. I won't argue that the officiating wasn't brutal, because it was. That said, our carelessness with the ball from the start of the game to the end is what lost the game. Many of our turnovers were just unconscionable. Think of Tony's terrible long ball inbound attempt, for example. Or Paris and Shaq constantly dribbling themselves into trapped positions, which lost us crucial timeouts, or Kaylon's utterly unnecessary deep pass over Ryan's head when we had a significant lead late and we should have been thinking time and score. You can't do anything about bad officiating, but you can take care of the ball. We didn't. Preventing just one of the turnovers we made, from the first minute of the game onward, most likely would have won us this game.
As for the officiating, it was beyond the pale the last ten minutes. Forget the conspiracy theories. That stuff is nonsense. This was just bad officiating. I imagine our coaches will have a lot to say to the league office.
By the way, it was my first time at Calihan Hall. While dated, I could only envy the place. Detroit had at most 500 people in the building, but if you could get even 3,000 people to show up what a pit it would be!
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Post by BBFran on Feb 10, 2012 23:05:12 GMT -6
Just one other thing. Our guys played really hard and Kaylon is just willing himself through a bad injury situation. We fell a point short, but these guys are giving everything they have.
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Post by tyrunner0097 on Feb 11, 2012 0:28:39 GMT -6
Just one other thing. Our guys played really hard and Kaylon is just willing himself through a bad injury situation. We fell a point short, but these guys are giving everything they have. But points and wins don't come from trying your hardest...and that is the problem...effort but no reward...not to mention refs who shouldn't even be allowed to do pickup games at Klotsche... |
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Post by vusupporter on Feb 11, 2012 9:55:06 GMT -6
Not disagreeing with the fact that the officiating was not good, but... Turnovers kept this game close. If the Panthers had taken care of the ball, nothing the refs or Detroit did could stop them. As it stands, they got careless with the ball in too many possessions. That said, I think you're being awfully naive if you completely discount the fact that poor, one-sided officiating took a victory and made it a loss. I can't tell you how many times Will Haskett and the color commentator called referee decisions into question. I thought the perfect illustration was in the final possession, when our inbound was tipped out of bounds by Ray McCallum Jr. (I watched the replay seven times) and it was called out on Paris Gulley, setting up the inbound where Gulley fouled and Detroit took the lead. It wasn't necessarily the non-call that irked me. It took me until the fourth time viewing to be sure it was McCallum and not Gulley that knocked it out, and even then I watched it three more times. It was the fact that Jeter was clamoring for them to take another look, check out the monitor. For a game that was that close with so little time remaining, taking a second look to confirm the ball belonged to Detroit (it didn't) would not have been over-officiating. Only in the NBA are officials allowed to review for possession. College officials are not allowed to use replay to make possession calls, only to confirm clock time or review fouls. |
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Post by PantherU on Feb 11, 2012 10:57:42 GMT -6
Not disagreeing with the fact that the officiating was not good, but... Turnovers kept this game close. If the Panthers had taken care of the ball, nothing the refs or Detroit did could stop them. As it stands, they got careless with the ball in too many possessions. That said, I think you're being awfully naive if you completely discount the fact that poor, one-sided officiating took a victory and made it a loss. I can't tell you how many times Will Haskett and the color commentator called referee decisions into question. I thought the perfect illustration was in the final possession, when our inbound was tipped out of bounds by Ray McCallum Jr. (I watched the replay seven times) and it was called out on Paris Gulley, setting up the inbound where Gulley fouled and Detroit took the lead. It wasn't necessarily the non-call that irked me. It took me until the fourth time viewing to be sure it was McCallum and not Gulley that knocked it out, and even then I watched it three more times. It was the fact that Jeter was clamoring for them to take another look, check out the monitor. For a game that was that close with so little time remaining, taking a second look to confirm the ball belonged to Detroit (it didn't) would not have been over-officiating. Only in the NBA are officials allowed to review for possession. College officials are not allowed to use replay to make possession calls, only to confirm clock time or review fouls. I did not know that. Thank you for clearing that up |
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Post by uwm97 on Feb 11, 2012 12:54:26 GMT -6
Fran is correct: the turnovers put the team in the position to get hosed down the stretch by the officials. I would bet that this team would win 90% of the time after shooting 42% from the floor and 73% from the line as they did tonight. Every turnover they committed was one less shot or free throw attempted. Frankly, this shoudl have been a 15-20 point Panthers victory.
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Post by blackcatinorange on Feb 11, 2012 14:37:23 GMT -6
Just a real tough loss. Maybe I should say "another" tough loss. We let this one slip away, just like a few others. I really thought this season had the chance to be special. Injuries, inconsistencies on offense, and at times....poor free throw shooting helped create a medicore season.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 11, 2012 17:48:31 GMT -6
Fran is correct: the turnovers put the team in the position to get hosed down the stretch by the officials. Like I wasn't saying that last night, when I was getting my ass kick on this board.  |
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Post by PantherNation on Feb 11, 2012 20:51:04 GMT -6
Despite last night's decent showing from the free throw line, I still think that is what did us in. However, not because of our shooting. Listening to the game, I was screaming to myself because of the 2 or 3 times we were up by 5 and kept fouling them to give them points with the clock stopped.
Shouldn't that be something stressed to everyone... DO NOT FOUL UNDER A MINUTE.
Either way, we really shot ourselves in the foot. Instead of an unexpected road win vs Detroit, we now have to go to the Nutter Center, followed by a home game vs Cleveland State. With things as crazy as they are in the HL standings, we could be in serious trouble before heading to Chicago - where even UIC is tough at home.
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