Game 23- Valparaiso

[GoPanthersGo23]

What about Kaylon's foul on Van Wijk I believe in the second half. Kaylon had his back to him and was facing the students and Van Wijk went up and scored and somehow they called a foul on Kaylon.

As for the rest of the game, what does it take to get Kyle Kelm the ball in the post? He has improved this year on the box and can score or we can create from there. I just don't understand it, we pass up getting him the ball many times when there is a pass that can be made to him. Also, I still think the league will come down to Cleveland State, Valpo and us. You can't ever count out Butler making a run in the HL Tourney too.

Tough game on Tuesday vs YSU...hope we come out and guard Blake Allen.

[PantherU]

Well, right now we're on the outside looking in, that is for sure. We had a great opportunity to get a sweep over one of the contenders and we failed at that. At best we can hope for a split with each of the other top four teams.

[PantherLou]

2nd Half: 6-26 23.1%

We lost this game because we simply could not score in the second half. This has been this program's Achilles heel for a long time.

Part of this is due to execution of the offense, part is due to poor offensive strategy, and part is due to guys just missing open shots. But it all adds up to a bad offensive team.

We are who we are:
A good to very good defensive team who cannot be counted on to score. Ever.


Frustrating.

[mcdadenets50]

Jan 29, 2012 9:49:19 GMT -6 PantherLou said:

Part of this is due to execution of the offense, part is due to poor offensive strategy, and part is due to guys just missing open shots. But it all adds up to a bad offensive team.

Recruit guys who can shoot. We have no reliable shooters. Obviously this includes free throw shooters. This program has proven it can't be counted on to fix poor foul shooting.

[jhart05]

They work on free throw shooting in practice. At this point it's purely mental. Hire a psychiatrist or a hypnotist or some hippy herbal doctor. I don't think it helps anything for the fans to be yelling at them after they miss FT's either.

I don't know Lew, I have to give a lot of credit to the Valpo Defense. They picked up their intensity in the 2nd half. Not being able to hit from 3 really hurt. Kaylon and Paris were 1-10. They packed in the zone, didn't let us get in the lane, and dared us to shoot 3's.

[mcdadenets50]

Jan 29, 2012 11:01:29 GMT -6 jhart05 said:

They work on free throw shooting in practice. At this point it's purely mental. Hire a psychiatrist or a hypnotist or some hippy herbal doctor. I don't think it helps anything for the fans to be yelling at them after they miss FT's either.

Of course they "work on" free throw shooting in practice everyday, every team does. What does that mean? Shoot 100 each? 200? The point is this program stinks at it. It is very difficult to change a shooter this late in their career. Recruit better shooters, which, of course, every team wants to do.

Looks like Jordan Aaron, our starting point guard next season, was shooting 82% from the line this year. That'll do.

[ghostofdylan]

Well, it looks like we're all headed to Cleveland, the class of the league this season.

As for the Panthers, I think something needs to be said about the attrition at shooting guard. I'm not remotely suggesting that Lonnie, Ja' Rob or Evan are consistently dynamic shooters at this stage of their careers ... or will necessarily ever be.

But when you're playing Mitch Roelke meaningful minutes in meaningful games, there's clearly a problem. Who among us had the walk-on from Waunakee playing in 14 of the season's first 23 games, let alone first-half minutes in any game?

I believe that he's currently our eighth man. Nothing personal against Mitch, but how can you win this way?

[uwm97]

If this program prefers a slowdown, half-court game - and it's clearly obvious that this is the case - then you have to get guys who can consistetly hit shots. Limited possessions + bad shooting = 14 of 23 games scoring in the 50's. This is a lot of pressure to put on your defense. Simple common sense tells you that if you don't have high-percentage shooters, you need more attempts to score points, which comes from playing faster. What makes matters worse is this is an historically bad free throw shooting team. Add it all up and this doesn't appear likely to end well.

[Pounce Needs Pals]

Jan 29, 2012 11:45:20 GMT -6 ghostofdylan said:

Well, it looks like we're all headed to Cleveland, the class of the league this season.

With 5 of 6 HL games in the month of February on the road for the Panthers, that looks like a sure bet.

[PantherLou]

Jan 29, 2012 11:01:29 GMT -6 jhart05 said:

I don't know Lew, I have to give a lot of credit to the Valpo Defense. They picked up their intensity in the 2nd half. Not being able to hit from 3 really hurt. Kaylon and Paris were 1-10. They packed in the zone, didn't let us get in the lane, and dared us to shoot 3's.

Sorry, but that's bogus. Yes, there were times when Valpo's defense gave us fits, but we missed a lot of very open shots. Furthermore, if a zone defense gives you fits, you damn well better have a plan to attack it. We played like we've never seen a zone before. That's on us - either players for not running the offense, or coaches for not preparing teh players for it. It's not all due to great defense by Valpo.

And, it's "Lou", btw.

[PantherLou]

Jan 29, 2012 12:55:00 GMT -6 uwm97 said:

If this program prefers a slowdown, half-court game - and it's clearly obvious that this is the case - then you have to get guys who can consistetly hit shots. Limited possessions + bad shooting = 14 of 23 games scoring in the 50's. This is a lot of pressure to put on your defense. Simple common sense tells you that if you don't have high-percentage shooters, you need more attempts to score points, which comes from playing faster. What makes matters worse is this is an historically bad free throw shooting team. Add it all up and this doesn't appear likely to end well.

Quoted for being the (sad) truth.

[nohopspanther]

Jeter continues to play Mitch over Shaq, so long as that's the case this team is headed for a first round loss.

[Deleted]

Jan 29, 2012 16:34:18 GMT -6 nohopspanther said:

Jeter continues to play Mitch over Shaq, so long as that's the case this team is headed for a first round loss.

If you had read the Butler thread, you would have read that Shaq (along with Demetrius and Ja'Rob) was suspended for that game. Mitch has the experience factor over Shaq and a more consistent shot at this point. The transition from the high school game to the D1 college game has been a tough one for Shaq.

[FTA1982]

I thought Shaq gave some positive minutes in the 1st half yesterday. Plus if he is the so called "PG of the future," he needs to be the one spelling Kaylon.

There is no reason for Roelke to get any meaningful minutes for this team, injuries or not.

[nohopspanther]

Jan 29, 2012 18:04:55 GMT -6 @dkelly28 said:

Jan 29, 2012 16:34:18 GMT -6 nohopspanther said:

Jeter continues to play Mitch over Shaq, so long as that's the case this team is headed for a first round loss.

If you had read the Butler thread, you would have read that Shaq (along with Demetrius and Ja'Rob) was suspended for that game. Mitch has the experience factor over Shaq and a more consistent shot at this point. The transition from the high school game to the D1 college game has been a tough one for Shaq.

If you had read the board, you'd know I was the person who posted that Bill Johnson announced the suspensions on the radio during the pre-game for Butler. Shaq when running the offense against Valpo got to the open spaces and created consistently. Don't give me some BS about the college game overwhelming Shaq when Mitch Roelke is completely blown away by D1 players on both ends of the floor just on talent and athleticism alone.