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Post by PantherU on Dec 23, 2011 15:23:25 GMT -6
The facilities were just as bad during the era of 3 out of 4 NCAA appearances. This team just doesn't have enough talent to consistently compete with High Major teams. 2002-03: Wisconsin 83, Milwaukee 72 2003-04: Wisconsin 89, Milwaukee 71 2004-05: Wisconsin 66, Milwaukee 37 2005-06: Wisconsin 74, Milwaukee 68 I think we can all agree that 05-06 was a game we should have won, but lost all momentum in the six-point swing following Massiah's BS charge dunk on Butch and the subsequent technical on Jeter. I also think we can agree that the Sweet 16 team, as the deepest tournament team, was our G.O.A.T. (greatest of all-time). They lost to Wisconsin by 29, scoring 37 points. This Panther team lost to Wisconsin by six, the difference being the two huge three-pointers (Berggren at the buzzer and Taylor with :40 remaining). An astronomically poor shooting performance kept Milwaukee from winning the game last night. Ask yourself this. How many times in his career has Tony Meier gone 0-10 from the field? |
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Post by PantherU on Dec 23, 2011 15:27:14 GMT -6
The answer on Tony Meier is this (games in which #21 has shot 0-5 or worse from the field):
08-09
0-6 vs. Loyola (twice, eek)
0-7 vs. Green Bay
09-10
0-6 vs. Miami
10-11
None
11-12
Yesterday vs. Marquette (0-10)
This is the truth: nine times out of ten, Meier is going to be between 3 of 10 and 6 of 10.
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Post by GoPanthersGo23 on Dec 23, 2011 16:01:45 GMT -6
What more does Mitch Roelke need to do to earn minutes? As crazy as this sounds, some of us that were invading the MU student section were saying that maybe Mitch should come in to possibly give us a spark from 3. Yes, I know he is a walk on and we were playing a top 10 team...but why not? No one else could hit the broad side of a barn for 3 and we know that Mitch can shoot from 3. |
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Post by FTA1982 on Dec 23, 2011 16:59:53 GMT -6
The facilities were just as bad during the era of 3 out of 4 NCAA appearances. This team just doesn't have enough talent to consistently compete with High Major teams. 2002-03: Wisconsin 83, Milwaukee 72 2003-04: Wisconsin 89, Milwaukee 71 2004-05: Wisconsin 66, Milwaukee 37 2005-06: Wisconsin 74, Milwaukee 68 I think we can all agree that 05-06 was a game we should have won, but lost all momentum in the six-point swing following Massiah's BS charge dunk on Butch and the subsequent technical on Jeter. I also think we can agree that the Sweet 16 team, as the deepest tournament team, was our G.O.A.T. (greatest of all-time). They lost to Wisconsin by 29, scoring 37 points. This Panther team lost to Wisconsin by six, the difference being the two huge three-pointers (Berggren at the buzzer and Taylor with :40 remaining). An astronomically poor shooting performance kept Milwaukee from winning the game last night. Ask yourself this. How many times in his career has Tony Meier gone 0-10 from the field? I guess I really do not understand the point of this post. The '04-'05 Wisconsin team, which UWM lost by 30, was an elite 8 team that took UNC (the National Champ) down to the wire. Also, all those games were road games. The game would have been a heck of a lot closer had it been played at the Cell (See '01-'02 game at Klotsche). |
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Post by blackcatinorange on Dec 23, 2011 17:46:43 GMT -6
don't think the Panthers are any better than what they are right now or can be. They are a nice mid-major squad. Playing like they did last night isn't going to strike fear into any ranked teams minds What is so frustrating to me (and several others who follow this team) is that we actually do have a lot of the pieces to be better and actually be the team that can "strike fear" into ranked teams minds. Does this mean that we SHOULD win these games? No, but the fact is that we have not had a signature win in the last 5+ years. Unfortunately, when the opportunity presents itself, this teams plays its worst. At some point in time, I think it is fair to question our mindset in games like these. YES!!! Dead on Lou. Time after time the Panthers seem to be out of place on the big stage. I still haven't totally recovered from the pain cause by the poor play in the HL tourney final against Butler. With Ryan Allen playing like a superstar against MU, we needed some of our other team leaders to step up and play well, and if they would have, we had a chance to beat MU. Tony's performance was terrible....and we needed lots more out of our starters and Evan. I'm excited about HL play, and I think we'll have a great conference season.....but I just wonder how we'll fare in the HL tourney final WHEN we get there again this season. |
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Post by crazyfred on Dec 23, 2011 19:14:18 GMT -6
Just curious, how are Butler's facilities compared to ours? Butler's Hinkle Fieldhouse acts as a practice court for either the men's basketball, women's basketball, or volleyball teams. When one of those teams is on the arena court, they have two practice courts in an adjacent gym (on game days, this is where will call is). Make no mistake, our situation for facilities is the worst in the Horizon League. We have not played a game against any opponent this year (I've checked) who has a comparable facilities situation. You guys can say anything you want about the facilities themselves, I'm talking about the SITUATION surrounding the facilities. Because we have such cramped space, we have very limited time for practice; that is used for the team practice. Individual workouts and player-led practices are often shunted to the side for other sports or INTRAMURALS for Christ's sake. Fred, the Old Gym may have been a crappy space, but I'm sure that MU's men's basketball program didn't have to bow to intramurals when they wanted to use the floor. Incorrect. At the Old Gym, MU men's hoops had to share time with women's hoops, volleyball (practice and games), ROTC and even indoor track. I remember one time where a hammer thrower blew out one of the backboards and the men's team had to practice on one basket. So yes, MU had to deal with those types of issues as well. MU alumni stepped up and built a new practice facility. UW-M alumni can do the same. It's all about the money and the will to get it done. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 24, 2011 8:10:00 GMT -6
The facilities were just as bad during the era of 3 out of 4 NCAA appearances. This team just doesn't have enough talent to consistently compete with High Major teams. Many of the schools against which Milwaukee competed for recruits in the Bo Ryan and Bruce Pearl years didn't have the surpassing facilities they do now. UNI, for one, played in the oversized, antiquated UNIDome. Instead of keeping pace, the Panthers have been falling behind. I would put Valpo in the same class. This was acknowledged by the UNI coaches as a recruiting tool against us. |
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Post by FTA1982 on Dec 24, 2011 12:34:51 GMT -6
UNI has also made the tournament on a more consistent level, plus the biggest recruiting tool was beating #1 overall seed Kansas in 2010. Winning plays a bigger factor in recruiting than facilities.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 26, 2011 10:59:50 GMT -6
Just a little bookkeeping from Thursday's game:
With six blocked shots, Ryan Allen set the program's single-game Division 1 record, breaking the mark of five set by Craig Greene (1991) and tied by James Wright (2001), Nate Mielke (2003), Dylan Page (2003), Derrick Ford (2006) and Marcus Skinner (2008).
With 13 rebounds, Allen tied Adrian Tigert (twice; 2001 and '06) for 10th place on the program's single-game Division 1 list, trailing only Nathan Schrameyer (18, 1994), Marcus Skinner (17, 2008), John Gilmore (16, 1997), Tigert (16, 2004), James Wright (15, 2001, twice), Otto McDuffie (15, 1997), Anthony Hill (15, 2011) and Tigert (14, 2004).
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Post by mcdadenets50 on Dec 26, 2011 13:16:00 GMT -6
Good stuff Paul. Craig Greene is my all time favorite Panther...a fabulous player.
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Post by FTA1982 on Dec 26, 2011 15:03:09 GMT -6
Man, I wish this current team had Marcus Skinner.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Dec 26, 2011 15:37:03 GMT -6
James Haarsma, had 17 rebounds in the season opener.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 7:28:01 GMT -6
I wish the current team had Tigert.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 9:20:13 GMT -6
Just a little bookkeeping from Thursday's game: With six blocked shots, Ryan Allen set the program's single-game Division 1 record, breaking the mark of five set by Craig Greene (1991) and tied by James Wright (2001), Nate Mielke (2003), Dylan Page (2003), Derrick Ford (2006) and Marcus Skinner (2008). With 13 rebounds, Allen tied Adrian Tigert (twice; 2001 and '06) for 10th place on the program's single-game Division 1 list, trailing only Nathan Schrameyer (18, 1994), Marcus Skinner (17, 2008), John Gilmore (16, 1997), Tigert (16, 2004), James Wright (15, 2001, twice), Otto McDuffie (15, 1997), Anthony Hill (15, 2011) and Tigert (14, 2004). I mentioned to Nate Schrameyer the day after James had his 17 rebounds against Southwest Minnesota State that his record stood to see another day and he told me he expected it to fall sometime this season. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 27, 2011 22:05:23 GMT -6
James Haarsma had 17 rebounds in the season opener. This was an unintentional omission, though it should be noted that the aforementioned efforts all took place against Division 1 competition. |
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