A question for our pre-Bo Ryan era DBoard members

[SRT4driver]

This is a question only for posters who followed the program BEFORE the 1999-00 season. Can you remember a loss to a team that was worse than this DePaul team? I have been racking my brain and I cannot think of ANY Panthers team losing to a team that was this bad. I am not here to bash our team or the coaching staff, we have plenty of people here to do that already, I'm just looking for some historical perspective.

And anyone who is clicking 'reply' right now to say that DePaul isn't that bad, please save your time. Unlike you, I have seen DePaul play this year prior to tonight, and there is a reason their only wins were to a 2 win team and two 1 win teams. That reason is why they have a home loss to 3-8 Western Carolina, a team that might finish dead last in the low-major Southern Conference. DePaul's RPI was #326 in the country because they really ARE that bad. DePaul could lose to both UIC and Youngstown State by 20 on any given night, and it would not be a fluke. But if you'd like to make me laugh, please feel free. ;D

Anyways, is there a game in the post Bo Ryan - Bruce Pearl - Robbie Jeter era that I've blocked from my memory that was a "worse" loss to a team worse than DePaul is? I'm talking strictly in an on-the-court, X's-and-O's basketball sense, not in a program sense ala "2006-07 Exhibition-loss-to-Parkside that makes a 1,500 student section turn into 50 afterwards". Do we need to go back to the Ric Cobb era or even earlier to find something worse than this? HAS there ever been anything worse than this?!

[Hack]

Great question, and I'll have to look over results tomorrow to rack my brain. There were some bad losses in the Ric Cobb era sure, but you also have to factor in what kind of team UWM had on the court (especially during the 3-24 season).

[TBone]

While DePaul's definitely having an off-decade or two, claiming that they may be the worst team to beat us in a while is ridiculous. They play in the Big East and have a great recruiting zone in Chicago. Our inability to shoot consistently, hit free throws, and rebound given our size is starting to piss me off. Hard to win games when one or two of those areas are off.

Having said that, I'm guessing our days as independents we played and lost to plenty worse teams. I'm gonna say Chicago State, Missouri Kansas City are likely candidates along with Oakland. (before they got good) In fact, in our 23-4 team when we didn't even get to the NIT, I think we lost some stinkers. I seem to recall Shannon Smith's teams really struggling as well, but don't remember who they played. Unfortunately, I quickly went to Luke's or some other watering hole to forget about the game soon after the worst game(s) I saw as a student. I believe at one point we lost to Texas-San Antonio or something and they were absolutely atrocious that year. Didn't we lose to D-II S Dakota St (when they were still D II) and Whitewater in exhibitions?

[SRT4driver]

Actually what is ridiculous is claiming that a team can't suck horribly just because they are a member of the Big East or because their school is located "in a great recruiting zone" like Chicago. I guess when they went 0-18 in conference last year or whenever it was, they didn't suck, just because they were a member. And I guess that powerhouse that is Chicago State has never had a bad team either since they are located in such a great recruiting zone. Lmao....Big ups for the chuckles.

Yeah, all those teams you mentioned are the kinds of losses we haven't had since 99-00, unless I am forgetting a game or two since then. And as hard as it might be for you and maybe some others to grasp, this DePaul team is at that level. The individual talent of some of their PLAYERS may not be, but their TEAM is unfortunately.

And good point Hack, those teams were horrible, but so were we. That's what makes this loss much worse than those IMO. We were supposed to be so much better than teams like Western Carolina this year, not so much worse...

[TBone]

Well, actually DePaul went winless in the Big East two years ago, not last year. They also have a different coach this year. I also used "and," a conjunction which was used to join two thoughts: they're in the Big East AND in a recruiting-rich zone. Chicago State, unfortunately only meets one of those criteria and is not in a BCS conference. Keep up the well thought out responses bro. Big ups for it. Oh, and check out our record in 05-06 vs 06-07. Things can change a lot from year to year.

I still make the claim that this DePaul team (although the whole premise of the questions is unquantifiable since better teams can anly be classified as better via judgement and can't really be quantified) is far better than our worst losses in our "storied" history. I'd even make the argument that since Jeter's been coach, DePaul isn't the worst team we've lost to.

I'll be done with this thread now. Thanks and good luck.

[Pounce Needs Pals]

I think losing at home to Western Michigan is worse than a road game at DePaul.

DePaul has played ok in some games this season. By 4 points to Oklahoma St and Stanford in OT.

[uwmplanner]

Dec 15, 2010 8:15:53 GMT -6 Pounce Needs Pals said:

I think losing at home to Western Michigan is worse than a road game at DePaul.

DePaul has played ok in some games this season. By 4 points to Oklahoma St and Stanford in OT.

+10,000

[panthersteve]

I got one... back in about 1998 at the Klotsche we played a D2 or maybe an NAIA team... It was either Tri State or Trinity. We played both at home that year. These were not exhibition games. We lost to one of them , I think it was Tri State... I think that was the beginning of the end for Ric. Kept thinking how could we lose badly to a lousy not even D3 team at home....it was brutal...remember about 100 people at the Klotsche and about 10 students. Also remember Damian Ninkovics parents screaming at Ric from the stands... Ric Ric... put in Brian Le Fave for rebounding!!!!!!! the bad old days.... guys... this was awful last night I agree....we looked totally unprepared for their press which is not exactly reminiscent of the Bruce Pearl press...poor shooting, poor floor game, poor rebounding...we look soft and poorly coached... another screwed up rotation... no cohesiveness...DePaul is awful.. this was very discouraging... hopefully we pick it up ... fear we might be slipping back to mediciority and anonymity...I have skipped a couple games and will skip Bowling Green... just not able to stomach right now what I am seeing... will see everyone after New Year at theButler game...

[Pounce Needs Pals]

12/20/98, Tri-State 56-53

[ghostofdylan]

Funny that you should mention this, driver, as I was thinking on the ride home last night that the game evoked memories of the Ric Cobb regime ... and it wasn't the first time this season.

Dec. 20, 1998 is a day that will live in infamy.

It was supposed to be the final nail for Ric, coming off an 80-44 road loss to Northwestern. But Ric confounded athletics department officials by later engineering a three-game Midwestern Collegiate Conference winning streak at Loyola and UIC and against Wright State.

Still, he was let go at the end of the season, Bo Ryan was hired from Platteville and the turnaround began.

[Rawls]

Dec 15, 2010 8:15:53 GMT -6 Pounce Needs Pals said:

I think losing at home to Western Michigan is worse than a road game at DePaul.

DePaul has played ok in some games this season. By 4 points to Oklahoma St and Stanford in OT.

Ding ding ding.

+ ∞

[pnthr97]

I'd vote for Sacramento State or UW-Parkside.

IMHO, this team is unfortunately quickly approaching Ric Cobb status.

What's the current buyout on Jeter's contract?

[JG Panthers]

Dec 15, 2010 15:05:01 GMT -6 pnthr97 said:

What's the current buyout on Jeter's contract?

I don't believe there is one, is there? When the extensions were awarded, the fear was that Jeter would bolt because of his success, when in reality it's the other way around. We're almost held hostage a little bit since we can't get out from the contract without paying it in its entirety. Things will get better though...I mean they have to, right?...

[buppie05]

I know this thread wasn't addressed to me, but if I see one more reference to Stanford being a good team this year.... Well lets just quit being ridiculous. Oklahoma St appears to be decent this year, so I guess we will either have to chalk up a 4 point Depaul loss to them as Depaul being a decent team, or the sun shining on a dogs ass. After watching Depaul last night, I'm leaning towards dogs ass.

[panthersteve]

i have no problem with Rob being a millionaiire several times over at the end of his tenure which he will be when you multiply his annual times number of years...the thing is for that he needs to deliver an NCAA bid or two or will not feel sorry for him