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Post by pantherpanther on Dec 12, 2008 14:46:44 GMT -6
I amended my post. A great example would be Davidson. They play in the CAA. How many in the HL would beat them right now?
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Post by PantherU on Dec 12, 2008 15:03:19 GMT -6
So what they are from the MAC. If you look at that team, and who they have played (and played well I might add), what is your point? If you want to be pissed, pick another game. That is a damn good team. Give them credit. Miami is probably the best team we've played so far, including Wisconsin and Marquette. Still, they're probably about at the level of Butler. I'm hoping nobody here is comfortable with the idea that Butler could very well beat us by 20 as well when we travel to Indy. I'm not comfortable with that idea, but it wouldn't surprise me. Doesn't change the fact that I'm going to Indiana on that trip. |
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Post by jhart05 on Dec 12, 2008 15:19:06 GMT -6
Butler will not beat us by 20. It's completely different. It's a conference game. We know Butler and how they play.
And I do think Miami is better than Butler this year.
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Post by jhart05 on Dec 12, 2008 15:20:50 GMT -6
I amended my post. A great example would be Davidson. They play in the CAA. How many in the HL would beat them right now? None. Only way would be if Curry got hurt or was sick for the game. |
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Post by Title on Dec 12, 2008 15:50:28 GMT -6
I do think Miami is better than Butler this year. No. Have your melt down however you wish, but that simply isn't the case. What metric would you like to use? RPI, Sagarin, Pomeroy, simple winning percentage? They all say the opposite. Butler always beats Miami (I think the series is 9-1), it wouldn't be any different this year. Furthermore, Milwaukee lost by 16 in Indianapolis last year. A 20-point margin is certainly plausible, if not likely. I'm not sure that this team isn't already equal to the team of a year ago, and will be simply better as the months roll on. |
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Post by FTA1982 on Dec 12, 2008 16:03:11 GMT -6
We've gotten to the point where we fully expect to lose by 20 vs a team from the MAC...oh boy... So what they are from the MAC. If you look at that team, and who they have played (and played well I might add), what is your point? Davidson plays in the CAA, but they are kicking ass left and right non-conference. If you want to be pissed, pick another game. That is a damn good team. Give them credit. Davidson is nationally ranked with one of the top 3 players in the nation who also made it to the Elite 8 last year. Much different than Miami Ohio. UWM should be on par with a team like Miami which is my point. |
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Post by PantherU on Dec 12, 2008 16:03:57 GMT -6
I think last year's Butler beats this year's Butler handily if they played "right now."
But by January 24th, this year's Butler team will be even more formidable than they are now.
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Post by nohopspanther on Dec 12, 2008 16:18:46 GMT -6
Apparently we're in first place in the Horizon League, a perennial one-bid league save for about 5 years in its history. gman, Avery Jukes led the way for Butler to win against Bradley. He's not a freshman. Oh look, it's December and everyone's jumping off the bandwagon again. Take a measured approach, people. The team is 5-5. A victory puts this team over .500. Guess what? A loss puts this team one game under .500 heading into conference where we're 2-0. Don't get overexcited when the team is great, and don't get too depressed when the team is down. At this point last year, the team was 3-7, They responded by winning 9 of 10, and would have kept the good times rolling if they didn't have 7 very tired and injured bodies finish the season. I'm not saying we're going to finish great, I'm just saying you guys are freaking out too much and we haven't even seen the ides of December. This team is 5-5 and nothing to get excited about as they have squeaked by bad teams and been smoked by the decent and good teams. Time for Jeter to go and I don't give a damn about losing Rob's "recruits" either. We dropped a pair of season tickets and if the team continues to show no improvement through the year I can guarantee we'll drop the rest of the tickets for next year. |
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Post by PantherU on Dec 12, 2008 16:31:30 GMT -6
Again, that will be decided by the rest of the year. If the team sputters and sucks it up for the rest of the year, obviously we have problems. I just don't think you fire a guy after a month with winning the two games that matter the most in getting to the post season.
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Post by nohopspanther on Dec 12, 2008 16:34:58 GMT -6
The only post-season this team will play in is the first round of the conference tournament.
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Post by uwm97 on Dec 12, 2008 16:54:21 GMT -6
With mid-major recruiting resources/abilities and mid-major talent. And an even smaller fanbase. How did we do it for three years under Pearl? How does Butler do it every year? Obviously being a mid-Major powerhouse is not untenable. |
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Post by uwmfansince1997 on Dec 12, 2008 17:56:59 GMT -6
And an even smaller fanbase. How did we do it for three years under Pearl? How does Butler do it every year? Obviously being a mid-Major powerhouse is not untenable. You put it perfectly. When everything is going well, everyone talks about going to the post season, stats, how much they had fun at the game and when the ball starts rolling the other way...we have a thread like this. Before you guys start ripping me (which I expect) I'm atleast glad to see there's support and passion for this team, because that's rare. Moreover, everyone on the coaching staff and roster knows how much the spotlight is on them, trust me. This same thing happened last year and everyone bit there words and appologized. There are alot of great ideas and even better insults, but let us play the rest of the year before we judge this team any further. I wish this whole thread could be emailed to the coaching staff and team and see if they had the same fire as we do to see them succeed. Now, go ahead and rip this. |
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Post by Pantherholic on Dec 12, 2008 18:52:17 GMT -6
I'd also like to point out that in my memory, no college basketball coach has been fired this early in the season. I'm sure it's happened, so if you know of it, post it here along with the scenario. Not fired but Dan Monson resigned from the Goofers ten games into the season 2 years ago. |
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Post by Pantherholic on Dec 12, 2008 18:57:04 GMT -6
How did we do it for three years under Pearl? How does Butler do it every year? Obviously being a mid-Major powerhouse is not untenable. Butler had previous success and basketball mentality there is a lot different than here which definitely helps. We did it here b/c Pearl was charismatic and outgoing. Not saying Rob's a bad guy by any means but he's definitely soft-spoken publicly. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2008 19:04:54 GMT -6
The late Ricky Birdsong of Northwestern went AWOL in like 1993 and started walking into the stands during a game... That was of his own doing obviously, but he was being hounded (by a program that has largely sucked since it's inception). I forget if he quit after that.. Birdsong was then sadly shot dead while walking his daughter one morning for no reason other than the color of his skin (he was shot by a racist/skinhead psycho). Anyway! I think uwmfansince1997 made some great points.. I wouldn't rip that. This is a fan board and we all should have learned early on that this IS THE PLACE to vent frustrations, etc. Who gives a rip if we disagree- at least we all care! I am concerned that, after this what will (I predict) be a marginally winning season (9-22, 14-16, 18-14.....?), that we are losing fans as we are actually getting better (not sure how the '06-'07 team would be better than what we have right now...  ). But opinions abound- I'm not right, I just like to talk about ideas and opine along with the rest- that's why were here. You gotta have the long view- Pearl was unique to bring this program so far so fast- that doesn't even usually happen with HIGH MAJORS (Indiana will certainly have to wait 3-4 years before thinking of competing in the Big 10). It was so awesome to be as good as we were and I think everyone misses that feeling dearly (I know I do). But I think things are slowly getting better- indeed, flame Jeter all you want (and right now- one can argue he deserves it), but the end of the season will be the barometer for his current status as our coach. I'll bet we all thought we wouldn't win 7 games last year at this time... (gotta remember that YSU, UWGB, Loyola, and other Horizon teams are not MU and UW)). We'll win a lot more yet- if those 3's fall like they used to (I just read- Boo Davis nailed 91-234 from 3pt (.389) in Rob's Second Round Tournament run... We've got the shooters- not sure what the hell happened in most of our losses, but we've got shooters. When Tony Meier, Ryan Haggerty, Riley Walker are Juniors, and Anthony Hill and Deonte are seniors... we could have a very good team and post another single digit losses record. Yeah, that's me- I'm the uber-optimist. |
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). But opinions abound- I'm not right, I just like to talk about ideas and opine along with the rest- that's why were here.