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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2008 19:06:30 GMT -6
So I guess this means, I'm not gonna find many takers for my "Rob Jeter Court" idea?
Kidding, kidding, kidding.... lol. ;D Take a deep breath though. Maybe we can upset Bradley on our new court (we've only lost on it once so far!).
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Post by Pantherholic on Dec 12, 2008 19:19:43 GMT -6
A little premature for this in my opinion. Wait until the end of the season. Nonsense, 1/3 of the way through a season is the perfect time to determine the type of year a team is having. Second-half runs have never happend in sports so if we aren't dominant by the 33% mark, we're screwed. Hell when the Brewers were 26-28 this year, that eliminated them from the playoffs by default. |
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Post by nohopspanther on Dec 12, 2008 19:23:52 GMT -6
A little premature for this in my opinion. Wait until the end of the season. Nonsense, 1/3 of the way through a season is the perfect time to determine the type of year a team is having. Second-half runs have never happend in sports so if we aren't dominant by the 33% mark, we're screwed. Hell when the Brewers were 26-28 this year, that eliminated them from the playoffs by default. Remind me please, what happened to their fearless leader during the season? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2008 19:26:36 GMT -6
One thing is agreed nohopspanther- it is "time to kick ass". lol
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Post by Pantherholic on Dec 12, 2008 19:27:29 GMT -6
Nonsense, 1/3 of the way through a season is the perfect time to determine the type of year a team is having. Second-half runs have never happend in sports so if we aren't dominant by the 33% mark, we're screwed. Hell when the Brewers were 26-28 this year, that eliminated them from the playoffs by default. Remind me please, what happened to their fearless leader during the season? Are you implying firing Jeter mid-season would get them farther? |
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Post by mwu on Dec 12, 2008 20:20:15 GMT -6
THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS THREAD EVER!!
YOU = INSANE IF YOU THINK ROBBIE SHOULD BE FIRED
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Post by nohopspanther on Dec 12, 2008 20:48:19 GMT -6
Remind me please, what happened to their fearless leader during the season? Are you implying firing Jeter mid-season would get them farther? No, I'm pointing out how ridiculous your comparison was when the Brewers had to fire Yost to keep from throwing the season away when they should have dropped him like a bad habit last off-season. Keeping a coach who doesn't win around too long can kill a program. Then you need to find a miracle worker to fix the problem. See also, Ric Cobb. |
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Post by uwmsportswriter on Dec 12, 2008 20:56:17 GMT -6
i held off saying anything up to this point... but you have to look at what Rob has been given. When you're the coach of a mid-major school you have to take chances with players like Torre, Avo, Tim, KJ and other players who may not be to you're full liking but if you can shape them up they can turn out right. I mean it's not easy to get the best players when you can't offer them the same thing as a Texas, NC, Duke or, hell, even a Boise St. who has a football team they can market their hoops players to.
This is a ridiculous thread and the fact that Jeter hasn't met up to your Pearl expectations is even more ridiculous... there is only one Bruce Pearl, and he will go down in history. Rob is NOT, I repeat, NOT a bad coach! I say keep him for at least 2 more years once Tony and Ant grow up a little more the team will be unstoppable... Jeter is finally getting his own players, how can you say fire him... god sometimes you people don't think!
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Post by uwm97 on Dec 12, 2008 22:43:02 GMT -6
No one is asking him to be Bruce Pearl. There will likely never be a guy like him at UWM. Does that mean this program can never get back to the NCAA's? Win 20 games? Come on. This program was complete garbage when Bo took over, and while they didn't win 20 games during his two years, he brought in a sh*t load of talent. They had UW beat at Klotsche Center. The point is, this is Jeter's fourth year in the program and I damn well want to see some progress. Getting blown out by Ball St. at home and being embarassed at Miami, without their second-leading scorer, is not progress. Not to mention there still hasn't been any type of coherent style implemented. What is this team's identity? I've been asking it for three years and still don't have an answer.
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Post by fan on Dec 12, 2008 23:03:01 GMT -6
I say keep him for at least 2 more years once Tony and Ant grow up a little more the team will be unstoppable... LOL! Ustoppable!?!?! |
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Post by gman2 on Dec 12, 2008 23:12:03 GMT -6
i held off saying anything up to this point... but you have to look at what Rob has been given. When you're the coach of a mid-major school you have to take chances with players like Torre, Avo, Tim, KJ and other players who may not be to you're full liking but if you can shape them up they can turn out right. I mean it's not easy to get the best players when you can't offer them the same thing as a Texas, NC, Duke or, hell, even a Boise St. who has a football team they can market their hoops players to. This is a ridiculous thread and the fact that Jeter hasn't met up to your Pearl expectations is even more ridiculous... there is only one Bruce Pearl, and he will go down in history. Rob is NOT, I repeat, NOT a bad coach! I say keep him for at least 2 more years once Tony and Ant grow up a little more the team will be unstoppable... Jeter is finally getting his own players, how can you say fire him... god sometimes you people don't think! While all coaches will have players that don't turn out to fit the program or in some way fall out of favor, it appears to be a higher number with this program. What other HL team has had this kind of player turnover? As I have mentioned in the past it's not a matter of Jeter finally getting his own players and the team improving, it's a matter of the team improving relative to the HL and being able to get into the post season. At this point in the time there are teams in the HL that appear to have improved relatively better than we have. No one is asking him to be Bruce Pearl. There will likely never be a guy like him at UWM. Does that mean this program can never get back to the NCAA's? Win 20 games? Come on. This program was complete garbage when Bo took over, and while they didn't win 20 games during his two years, he brought in a sh*t load of talent. They had UW beat at Klotsche Center. The point is, this is Jeter's fourth year in the program and I damn well want to see some progress. Getting blown out by Ball St. at home and being embarassed at Miami, without their second-leading scorer, is not progress. Not to mention there still hasn't been any type of coherent style implemented. What is this team's identity? I've been asking it for three years and still don't have an answer. Bo's team lost big to UW in his first year at the Klotsche center and lost to UW his second year in Madison. Pearl's first year team almost beat UW at the Klotsche Center. Bo wasn't really given complete garbage. He had Chad Angeli and Ric Cobb recruits Ronnie Jones and Clay Tucker. Identity is one thing that is lacking. From the outside it's difficult to tell what this team is trying to be? I watch games with people and comments I receive are that these guys just look lost out there. It's hard to turn that into getting people to attend games. No one wants to watch a team that from the outside appears to be out there with no appearance of strategy. That's only a perception that people I know have. And like I said it doesn't promote attendance at games. |
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Post by PantherU on Dec 13, 2008 0:29:48 GMT -6
Bo's team lost big to UW in his first year at the Klotsche center and lost to UW his second year in Madison. Pearl's first year team almost beat UW at the Klotsche Center. Bo wasn't really given complete garbage. He had Chad Angeli and Ric Cobb recruits Ronnie Jones and Clay Tucker. Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Nobody argued that Bo didn't have players. The argument was that Bruce gets all the credit when that team doesn't go to the Sweet 16 without Tigert or Hill. That's a rehashed argument that I'm not going to take part in anymore. I think the best argument detractors have is that identity point. Coach has been here for 4 years, and this is what, his 5th different offense? I mean, that's a good argument, I'm not going to lie. But take this excerpt from Morgan Wootten's book "Coaching Basketball Successfully, 2nd Edition" : "I have seen coaches do very well with mediocre players, yet when they have had some of their best players, those same coaches haven't been successful. Other coaches seem to excel with a superstar but don't fare as well with a good all-around team. These situations happen because some coaches stick with the style of play that they like, no matter what. They may modify it slightly from year to year, but the same basic style of play emerges because it's the one they are most comfortable with. What these coaches fail to consider or acknowledge is that certain systems are more successful with certain kinds of talent. A coach who stays primarily with one system will only be successful during those years when his talent matches his system." What it comes down to is while we have seen many heads to the Jeter offense, the fact is that he adapts them to his players to try and get the best possible offensive combination. Does it work? Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. But it definitely isn't the sole reason we aren't a dynamite team. |
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Post by gman2 on Dec 13, 2008 0:42:46 GMT -6
What it also comes down to is that we are once again off the public's radar screen. Outside of my son, I can't get anyone else I know to attend a game. There is no identity or excitement to this team. The program is stagnant. I hope it gets better.
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Post by uwm97 on Dec 13, 2008 10:01:05 GMT -6
Sorry Jimmy, I see the argument but I'm not buying it. Pearl wins wherever he goes. He said in an interview about five years ago that his teams at Southern Indiana were way more talented than his first couple at UWM. He won anyways. Look what he did his first year at Tennessee with Buzz Peterson's players. Bo Ryan had a couple of nice players in Tucker and Jones when he came to UWM, but they were both young. Still finished with a winning record. Coaches may modify aspects of their system, but the system's identity remains. For God's sakes, in Jeter's first year at UWM the teams changed philosphy a few times before finally going back to the full-court, trapping pressure defense that carried them the final few games of the year and in the HL tournament.
We do know one thing: this team has had three complete roster makeovers, and the product hasn't gotten much better up to this point.
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Post by PantherU on Dec 13, 2008 10:12:52 GMT -6
He went to Tennessee "To get to that next level." #1 one ranking or whatever, he still hasn't gotten further with the Vols than he did with us.
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