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Post by reggiewheelerfor3 on Dec 12, 2008 13:55:44 GMT -6
If the team struggles this year, I'll have a hard wanting Jeter back for next year. Still, I have to admit that he is getting players that fit his system better than earlier in his tenure here. That's one of the reasons he probably deserves to be around for the 2009-10 season.
But...if this makes any sense at all, having a roster full of "his" guys that fit his system is also a reason to seriously consider his status following this season if there is not success, or at least marked improvement. UWM is playing like a bottom-third program in Division I right now. That's just not at all palatable.
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Post by gman2 on Dec 12, 2008 13:56:41 GMT -6
Last year at this point we were 3-7...this year we are 5-5. The only game that sticks in my craw is Ball St, because we should have one, and thus been 6-4. We have a ways to go as a team, but I do feel improvement has been made, but hey that's just me. You really think we could have won the Ball State game? Maybe? Remember that we struggled in the second half for a victory over a depleted Wright State team. Wright State will be a different team when we face them in Dayton. Detroit may also be an improved team. So while we did get two good HL home victories there were some areas of concern in those victories and the victories will be harder to come by on the road. |
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Post by pantherpanther on Dec 12, 2008 14:00:03 GMT -6
No BP it's not overreaction. Folks are allowed to express themselves as they see fit.
I want to see more out of this team. I think they can DEFINETELY DO more. Last night they did not adjust to Miami. We may not be young class wise, but we are young as far as playing together, and thus are not as settled into the game as one would like. Therefore, if you can't beat a team one way, then you have to come at them another way. We did not do that. At halftime Coach Jeter said the team needed to take the shots they were being given, and they did not do that, and the ones who did try were shooting bricks!!!
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Post by pantherpanther on Dec 12, 2008 14:02:18 GMT -6
Last year at this point we were 3-7...this year we are 5-5. The only game that sticks in my craw is Ball St, because we should have one, and thus been 6-4. We have a ways to go as a team, but I do feel improvement has been made, but hey that's just me. You really think we could have won the Ball State game? Maybe? Remember that we struggled in the second half for a victory over a depleted Wright State team. Wright State will be a different team when we face them in Dayton. Detroit may also be an improved team. So while we did get two good HL home victories there were some areas of concern in those victories and the victories will be harder to come by on the road. I do think we could have beat Ball St. Honestly, I believe the one thing that we have been missing, backfired on us for that game. We were not focused. Coach Jeter was not focused. Not that I blame him, he had just lost his father, but had that team been focused I think we would have won that game gman. Just my opinion though. |
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Post by DunneDeal on Dec 12, 2008 14:06:44 GMT -6
Im going with Overreaction here.....
This team was left with nothing when BP left. Minus the 05-06 Season.
Jeter has got his players in, they have lost 5 games...keep in mind we lost 3 to BSC Schools (ISU, Wisco, MU) and we lost to a Miami (OH) that is looking really good. Ball St...was a bad loss.
The week of Ball St we had so much going on, the team and Rob were distrascted and I give them a Mullgan on that. We would be 6-4 and this talk wouldn't be happening.
But you need to think of it in confrence regards, we are 2-0 vs a Detroit team that is always scarry.
Im sorry, were 10 games into the season and shouldn't be calling for the pink slip.
Please do not compare us to Butler. Brad had a team when Todd left, and kept it going.
Rob on the other hand came in, changed the system and after one year had to build the program again from scratch. If you as a Panther fan think we had a team in the 06-07 season then your NUTS!
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Post by gman2 on Dec 12, 2008 14:20:53 GMT -6
This whole discussion is starting to get pointless and falling into the divisive camps which occurred last year. No one should make judgment either way at this time.
As some have pointed out we are 5-5 and better than we were this time last year.
On the other hand, you can't necessarily say this team would have won against Ball State had the circumstances been different. They are 5-5 not 6-4.
As far as the HL goes, let's wait and see what happens in Chicago.
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Post by reggiewheelerfor3 on Dec 12, 2008 14:29:02 GMT -6
Rob on the other hand came in, changed the system and after one year had to build the program again from scratch. If you as a Panther fan think we had a team in the 06-07 season then your NUTS! Right, that 2006-07 team was not good, which makes it all the more concerning that we are no better two years later, in my opinion. Jeter had the option of bringing in a lot of stop-gap junior college guys before that season, but in my recollection, he decided against it, with the exception of Tyrone Young. I think he was a guy Jeter relied heavily upon. That didn't work out, obviously, and we are still feeling the effects of that. I think Jeter was counting on having a Young/Paige Paulsen/Avo trio buy him some time until he got high level recruits in (Tim Flowers, Kevin Johnson, Roman Gentry). The plan was good, but the execution was terrible. I know that not every recruit pans out, but the number of guys Jeter's missed on is well beyond the norm. Misevaluation has to be blamed at some point. |
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Post by jhart05 on Dec 12, 2008 14:35:15 GMT -6
I don't know what some of you expected last night in the Miami game. Take a look at who they've played; and they've played those teams pretty well. That is a good veteran team our guys played last night. I did not expect us to look that bad shooting the ball, but sometimes it happens. I fully expected a 20-point loss.
Let's just look at one of Miami's wins. Wright State, a team that is in the upper half of our conference, and a team we are probably pretty equal to. They went to Wright State and beat them by 18. Again Miami is a pretty damn good team, who will probably make the tournament.
There is a lot on our team to be excited about. All the newcomers look pretty good so far, well all except one. And we are 2-0 in conference.
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Post by FTA1982 on Dec 12, 2008 14:37:16 GMT -6
We've gotten to the point where we fully expect to lose by 20 vs a team from the MAC...oh boy...
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Post by pantherpanther on Dec 12, 2008 14:37:29 GMT -6
Who did we miss on talent wise?
A more accurate statement would be we have brought in players who have had "problems"...the kind that most Coaches and parents don't talk about, because they want you to think their kid is the best.
Here's my list of talent misses:
Young - athletic but not a good fit for organized bb (at least at this level)
KJ - looked like a dud
Thornton - could shoot, but I dont think we would have gotten anything else out of him.
I'm not counting the walk-ons because I don't believe the level of commitment is there in most programs. Those are projects that are hit or miss.
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Post by reggiewheelerfor3 on Dec 12, 2008 14:38:58 GMT -6
I just want to add that I think the players Jeter's bringing in now fit the system wonderfully; I'm just not sure the overall talent is there for this team to become a serious contender down the road.
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Post by pantherpanther on Dec 12, 2008 14:40:23 GMT -6
We've gotten to the point where we fully expect to lose by 20 vs a team from the MAC...oh boy... So what they are from the MAC. If you look at that team, and who they have played (and played well I might add), what is your point? Davidson plays in the CAA, but they are kicking ass left and right non-conference. If you want to be pissed, pick another game. That is a damn good team. Give them credit. |
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Post by reggiewheelerfor3 on Dec 12, 2008 14:41:14 GMT -6
The "misses" I eluded to were overall, both talent-wise and "problems-wise."
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Post by pantherpanther on Dec 12, 2008 14:42:43 GMT -6
The "misses" I eluded to were overall, both talent-wise and "problems-wise." Gotcha. Point taken. |
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Post by reggiewheelerfor3 on Dec 12, 2008 14:43:57 GMT -6
We've gotten to the point where we fully expect to lose by 20 vs a team from the MAC...oh boy... So what they are from the MAC. If you look at that team, and who they have played (and played well I might add), what is your point? If you want to be pissed, pick another game. That is a damn good team. Give them credit. Miami is probably the best team we've played so far, including Wisconsin and Marquette. Still, they're probably about at the level of Butler. I'm hoping nobody here is comfortable with the idea that Butler could very well beat us by 20 as well when we travel to Indy. |
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