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Post by famouspnthrfan on Jan 4, 2007 22:53:02 GMT -6
It's still disheartening a bit to see the team giving up huge leads but it was a good win...looks like Mauldin starts and gets another 4 minutes, but I thought it was nice to see a little continuity in the lineup tonight...
I think Hill goes to most home games.
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Post by PJD on Jan 4, 2007 23:04:09 GMT -6
Rob did exactly the right thing. Ryan should not have been in in overtime as his D is not that good yet. He's still contributing and will get more playing time with better D. Nothing for him to be ashamed of, i'm sure he's working on it. We knew that was going to be one of his weak points. He took a big step tonight draining that 3. Paige believed in him as I'd think the rest of the team, Rob does too. He'll get more minutes soon enough. He's just a freshman.
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Post by BBFran on Jan 4, 2007 23:20:22 GMT -6
Oh lord, Ryan was used exactly as he should have been and there was no need for him to be in the game in OT. Rob has already proved he's a good game coach.
Great win for the team and the coaches tonight. Intensity the whole game was terrific. The light is coming on for Ricky and that is very, very encouraging to see.
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Post by uwmfutbol on Jan 4, 2007 23:32:47 GMT -6
I agree that Thornton should not have played in OT; he simply has not had as much PT as Ricky, Charlie, and Kaylan, and is thus not ready IMO. RJ did exactly what I predicted he would do: he brought in his 5 best three-point shooters to get UWM into OT.
I think down the road Thornton will be a great player. Today he was used for his strengths.
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Post by pfan on Jan 5, 2007 8:13:38 GMT -6
We played zone most of the game. If he can't get some minutes playing that defense then he is never going to get in. It is unbelievable to expect a kid to hit a three after sitting for 38 minutes. I still think if he played him 3 minutes in each half and then use him in situations he would contribute consistently.
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Post by raar on Jan 5, 2007 8:20:19 GMT -6
Hopefully the made 3 will raise Thornton's confidence and the win will raise the confidence of the entire team. I think confidence is one of the keys that has been missing this season. With confidence this team could go .500 in confernece play.
I think the team is definately getting better and better. I am very happy and relieved to see the progress. Although, that Detroit team is not a good team.
Where was Bendall last night?
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Post by jhart05 on Jan 5, 2007 8:55:27 GMT -6
This was a great game to watch. I was really happy for Thorton. To come through with the tying bucket in the clutch like that should give him the confidence he's been looking for. How about giving Thornton a sniff of the court in OT? Nope, buried right back on the bench. It's evident to me Rob has a lot of growing to do as a game coach. Don't get me wrong I'm a huge Coach Jeter supporter and was cheering as hard as anyone tonight, but these substitution patterns are baffling to me. First, I'm a big fan of Ryan's. Glad to see him get that big 3 at the end last night. The problem you have with Thornton right now is that he can't guard anyone. "Smalls" are too quick for him and "bigs" are too strong for him. He needs more time to work on his defense. |
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Post by nighthawk on Jan 5, 2007 9:01:14 GMT -6
Rob has already proved he's a good game coach. As much as i like Rob, and that's a lot, I beg to differ here. This is his second season as the Head Coach, and sometimes it really shows. His substitution patternas are horrid right now. Al has a total mental meltdown and commits the worst intentional foul I've ever seen and stays in the game. Instand 5 point lead for Detroit. Later on, he misses a wide open and uncontested layup. Still stays in the game. Besides Paige, if anyone on the roster so much as breaks wind on the court, they are immediately pulled. Case in point: Kevin makes a great effort to run the floor, handles a tough pass and finishes with authority (a dunk, the only one of the night). His reward from Rob? An almost immediate seat on the pine. "Great job running the floor Kevin, but I told you guys no dunking. Now sit down." That is NOT being a great, or even good, game coach. |
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Post by teddyp00 on Jan 5, 2007 9:17:58 GMT -6
I agree that Rob is not a great coach yet, nor should he be or we expect him to be in only his 2nd season as a head coach.
As for his subsitutions they have gotten much better in the past two weeks as he has appeared to have tightened up his bench and has a much better rotation that the team has 4 weeks ago.
As for the Massiah situation last night the subsitution was already up to the table before the break even began and kevin made the play.
As far as the game last night was that not one great game to be at? The crowd got into it a bit and the team played well. You can really see things coming together for the guys now. Lets hope it keeps up and maybe we can get a huge win down at Loyola on Saturday.
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Post by brewtownbrian on Jan 5, 2007 10:39:18 GMT -6
We played zone most of the game. If he can't get some minutes playing that defense then he is never going to get in. It is unbelievable to expect a kid to hit a three after sitting for 38 minutes. I still think if he played him 3 minutes in each half and then use him in situations he would contribute consistently. Playing zone is just as difficult, if not harder, than man-to-man. The communication needs to be there more so when playing a zone too. |
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Post by pantherdon on Jan 5, 2007 11:31:31 GMT -6
Whether Ryan can play zone defense or not, the fact, is that the rest of the guys Rob uses do a much better job.
Frankly, Ryan hasn't made many of his shots this season, so the risk out weights the reward.
Messiah just made his third or fouth foul right after his dunk.
That's probably why he came out, if he wasn't already coming out.
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Post by BBFran on Jan 5, 2007 11:56:51 GMT -6
Massiah was already coming out. If you watch the players, they almost always know when they are coming out before Rob sends a replacement to the table. They almost always know why they are coming out, too. I have no problem anticipating those substitutions either. Some of you may disagree with the strategy, but it has worked and continues to work.
No doubt Rob has much to learn as a head coach, but I've been doing what I do for 25 years -- pretty successfully, too -- and I still have a lot to learn.
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Post by jhart05 on Jan 5, 2007 12:38:26 GMT -6
About the intentional foul called on Al...
That was a terrible call by the official. That is a terrible rule to start out with. I can't stand the intentional foul rule.
I have no problem with what Al did. The Detroit guy was going up for a layup, so Al simply grabbed him to make him go to the line. Nothing wrong with that at all. What else is he supposed to do? Hack the guy on the arm and hope the ball doesn't go in? That was a terrible call by the official.
Flagrant fouls, now that's something different
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Post by jhart05 on Jan 5, 2007 12:42:42 GMT -6
I mean "intentional foul"? What the hell does that mean anyway?
What do you do at the end of a game when the team down is obviously "intentionally" fouling the other team hoping they will miss their free throws? You could call the "intentional foul" on those as well.
As I said, it's a stupid rule.
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Post by jhart05 on Jan 5, 2007 13:05:23 GMT -6
And regarding his substitution patterns...
I think that has a lot to do with learning what these guys can do, and then figuring out who has "it" that particular night and who doesn't.
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