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Post by coldwind on Nov 20, 2006 1:27:53 GMT -6
Even though the offense,to be frank,looks about as fluid as a one legged man going up a set of stairs,I love the fact they're still running it.
To me,that shows that when the shots start falling,and they run the offense like they are able to,they will be able to stand against almost anybody.
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Post by 93bbauwm on Nov 20, 2006 8:19:52 GMT -6
Even though the offense,to be frank,looks about as fluid as a one legged man going up a set of stairs,I love the fact they're still running it. To me,that shows that when the shots start falling,and they run the offense like they are able to,they will be able to stand against almost anybody. It was hard to watch this past Sunday, But ditto... At this point in the season it's better to try to keep learning the offense, then throwing up 3's in a desperate attempt to catch up... Our Conference Games are more important anyway...
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Post by PantherU on Nov 20, 2006 10:27:24 GMT -6
Ryan Thornton should be playing more.
Those 3's he shoots aren't desperate attempts to catch up, they're more like free throws.
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Post by raar on Nov 20, 2006 12:06:15 GMT -6
Thornton has not been making his attempted 3's, so I don't know what you are talking about.
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Post by panther44 on Nov 20, 2006 21:24:11 GMT -6
Thornton has not been making his attempted 3's, so I don't know what you are talking about. . Why are you picking on him? He has made a few of his 3's. He's not the only one being inconsistent right now with his shooting.
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Post by panthertrax on Nov 20, 2006 22:03:22 GMT -6
Ryan Thornton has to realize he is no longer playing high school ball where he may have been the star. He puts up ridiculous shots. It was almost embarrassing watching him play.
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Post by milwsport on Nov 20, 2006 22:37:40 GMT -6
I disagree. I think he's exciting to watch. I know that several observers have already said that he could be as good as Novack was for Marquette. He needs to get his confidence and he'll be just fine.
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Post by pantherdon on Nov 21, 2006 8:11:20 GMT -6
Thornton's not playing because of his lack of defense and size. He's been given the green light from the coaching staff to shoot, shoot, shoot. He's not making everything, but he'll settle in and be a valuable roll player by next year or the end of this year.
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Post by pnthr30 on Nov 21, 2006 8:45:02 GMT -6
Saying he could be as good as Novak is a bit vague.......of course, he could develop and be a very good player, but right now, it is not fair to Steve (or Ryan, for that matter) to compare the two - the differences are night and day.
As a shooter, I admire his quick trigger and the ability to not think about his shot (he has obviously been given the green light). The worst thing a shooter can have happen is to constantly have the coach in your ear about what is a good shot and what is not. As soon as you start thinking, your percentage slips in a major way.
IMHO, the underlying reason Ryan is not playing is because he simply CANNOT defend (on the ball anyways). There is no where he can even be hidden. Next time he gets in, watch the eyes of the player who he is guarding - I bet they get as big as pies! In the WSU game, they ran several clear outs/one-on-one situations as soon as he got in, and didn't keep the guy in front of him even once. Ryan may be a decent off the ball defender, but he hasn't played enough to comment on his help side skills, especially since he always finds himself guarding the ball.
This is not ment to single RT out, as the whole team is struggling to defend on the ball (and off). There is no question that the transition to learn to defend on the ball at the college level is a tough one (speaking from experience). However, with experience will come tricks of the trade which will make his job a lot easier. The previously noted SN went through the same growing pains and eventually made himself into a serviceable defender. RT will be fine, but he is a true freshman, give the guy some time and don't put unrealistic expectations on him.
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Post by JimmyLemke on Nov 21, 2006 8:47:18 GMT -6
I can tell you this:
In practice, in games, everywhere, Ryan Thornton was brought here to shoot. He shoots fast, he shoots accurate, he shoots the lights out.
Jeter gives him the green light to shoot from 45 feet if it comes down to it.
EDIT:
In fact, here's a situation to prove my point.
At one time during practice, a player shoots from about 6-8 feet from behind the three point line. Not a good place to shoot from, obviously, but Jeter says what?
"You do not take that shot. Who takes that shot? Thornton! Only Thornton takes that shot!"
Not a direct quote, I wasn't there. Inconsequential, of course, but that proves how valuable the coaching staff views Thornton's shooting skills. Anyone who thinks he should shoot less, need only ask a coach.
EDIT 2:
My source was there. Trust me, it's a damn good source considering the topic.
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Post by jeff2bag on Nov 21, 2006 10:05:55 GMT -6
ive seen many practices this year and have watched the games.....i think thorton is going to be very good....he is a special type of player meaning that even though everyone on the court may know he can shoot the lights out if you watch him away from the ball he is always moving and seems to have a knack and really getting himself open by constantly moving around...you can tell that he has been well coached because to me it just seems like he understands how the offense moves and how a player of his type should fit into the offense...sure his shots havent started to fall yet but when they have i get a pretty big smile on my face because how smooth and quickly his release is..we have way to many people on this site being overly critical.....comparing players to seniors who just graduated like AT and Steve Novak....steve novak only averaged 6.7 points a game...he was strictly a shooter and his freshman year once he found his shot he was dead on..he was a skinny freshman that could shoot but played limited D and hardly rebounded...thats what we need to wait for thorton...the numbers he came in with obviously are no fluke...... we have to stay grounded with this team...too much negativity...just a few months back people were crapping there pants at how good he was in highschool as a senior....give him some time, the kid is younger then most of the members on the board..we are not going to be finding these freshman that can come in and shoot the lights out against most of the teams were going to be playing early in the season....we are the youngest team in the country that is constantly growing....most of you out there dont see much of it in practices, but you can really tell that jeter is really trying to get these guys going as a team....patience is a big deal and i think once we get into the horizon league and these players start to find more of a role and see that the horizon league isnt always stacked with big time athletes and that these freshman with the same confidence they once had can play with the guys in this league....
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Post by milwsport on Nov 21, 2006 16:15:50 GMT -6
"Steve Novak....steve novak only averaged 6.7 points a game...he was strictly a shooter and his freshman year once he found his shot he was dead on..he was a skinny freshman that could shoot but played limited D and hardly rebounded...thats what we need to wait for thorton...the numbers he came in with obviously are no fluke...... "
Exactly. That was point. Thanks for coming up with the stats that show it.
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Post by namuwm on Nov 27, 2006 16:51:17 GMT -6
Ryan has a ton of potential and he is a lot of fun to watch. I'm excitied to see how he develops as a player...I'd like to see him get some more minutes, so long as they are quality minutes. He's does need to work on his defense...that will come in time.
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