UWM agrees in principle to play MU just announced

[crazyfred]

www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=2&date=9/19/2006&id=11598





Hilarious...and all those folks on here that said it wouldn't happen and begged Bud not to do it because UWM was being disrespected.

Better get on the phone with Bud quickly because he just announced that in principle they have agreed to the terms, just working out the final financial dealings.

To the others here that were level headed and actually "got it"...kudos to you guys. No one was dissing anyone, it's the nature of the beast for these types of agreements. Both schools have to do what is in their best interest.

See you soon.....should be a fun series and a competitive series...I expect UWM to win at least 1 of the 5 as long as Rob is still there. If he isn't...then all bets are off.

[damasa]

A deal "in principle" is in fact not a deal at all. Granted, it looks like one will be formed but it's not 100% complete and many things could change the outcome.

I was sad to see you take out your 35-0 comment though. I mean, taking claim to that 34-0 while UWM wasn't D1 for the majority of it is rather grand.

Stay out of that Cali sun Fred, it's getting to your head buddy!

[crazyfred]

damasa said:

A deal "in principle" is in fact not a deal at all. Granted, it looks like one will be formed but it's not 100% complete and many things could change the outcome.

I was sad to see you take out your 35-0 comment though. I mean, taking claim to that 34-0 while UWM wasn't D1 for the majority of it is rather grand.

Stay out of that Cali sun Fred, it's getting to your head buddy!

Actually 35-0 comes from a disagreement between the two athletic departments. The Marquette record books always had us with one less win than the UWM record books reported. It was a disagreement between the SIDs in each department and we used to chuckle about it because if UWM wanted to give us an extra win in their media guide, by all means do so.

So whenever someone says 34-0 from the MU side, I like to chime in that it's 35-0 instead. I haven't seen a UWM media guide in probably a decade so my guess is that the two schools have come to terms of it being 34-0 now, but it's all just a fun inside joke for many of us that worked at MU. And whether many of the games were against DII UWM or DI UWM doesn't mean a hill of beans, it's still 34-0.

At any rate, you are right that it's not a done deal and that's what I said....now's your chance to scream to Bud Haidet and let him know how you feel.

Looking forward to the series.

[Pantherholic]

i didn't want the series even if it was 4 games @ the Cell. i just wanted this whole debate forever buried. christ, great news to come home to

[damasa]

crazyfred said:

damasa said:

A deal "in principle" is in fact not a deal at all. Granted, it looks like one will be formed but it's not 100% complete and many things could change the outcome.

I was sad to see you take out your 35-0 comment though. I mean, taking claim to that 34-0 while UWM wasn't D1 for the majority of it is rather grand.

Stay out of that Cali sun Fred, it's getting to your head buddy!

And whether many of the games were against DII UWM or DI UWM doesn't mean a hill of beans, it's still 34-0.

At any rate, you are right that it's not a done deal and that's what I said....now's your chance to scream to Bud Haidet and let him know how you feel.

Looking forward to the series.

In all honesty, I could care less if the schools play or not, I won't lose anything. But if they play I will watch. It was bound to happen sooner or later but until the contract is signed, what it is is just what it is.

The 34-0/35-0 thing is funny to me. None of my MU friends take credit for it, they realize the majority of the wins came from lands not so great.

But you can hold onto it, for some, that's all they have

[uwmfutbol]

I wanna know why you guys are arguing with crazyfred... he's retarded.

We're playing the game, great/not great/whatever. Let's just drop it until shortly before the game next season.

[crazyfred]

damasa said:

crazyfred said:

And whether many of the games were against DII UWM or DI UWM doesn't mean a hill of beans, it's still 34-0.

At any rate, you are right that it's not a done deal and that's what I said....now's your chance to scream to Bud Haidet and let him know how you feel.

Looking forward to the series.

In all honesty, I could care less if the schools play or not, I won't lose anything. But if they play I will watch. It was bound to happen sooner or later but until the contract is signed, what it is is just what it is.

The 34-0/35-0 thing is funny to me. None of my MU friends take credit for it, they realize the majority of the wins came from lands not so great.

But you can hold onto it, for some, that's all they have

Yup, that's all we have. Something tells me that most of us on the MU side gravitate toward the NCAA title, the 3 Final Fours, the Big East, etc, etc. The 34-0 is more of a rallying cry....maybe it will go down in history with "Remember the Alamo".

;D

[Pantherholic]

crazyfred said:

Yup, that's all we have. Something tells me that most of us on the MU side gravitate toward the NCAA title, the 3 Final Fours, the Big East, etc, etc.

clearly you aren't, which is why you make roughly 5-10 posts every day you're here. if you were part of the "most of us" group, you wouldn't be posting here at all. instead, the moment something new happens you log onto our board to talk about it.

apparently words speak louder than actions.

[milwsport]

Can we stop responding to him? It's truely sad that when someone spends that much time dwelling on beating a team that was division 2 for all but about 6 games.

Personally I think he needs a 12 step program or counseling. But he wont' get either if he thinks he has to sit at his pc and wait for the latest response to his posts.

[schweaty]

Bud knows what he's doing normally so there's got to be some reasoning here. The program must that in need of cash.

[milwsport]

I think there may be other things going on here. I know that UWM can get more guarantee money than is being offered up by MU. Pressure to play MU regardless of what's offered is probably a major consideration.

[TBone]

Some other things that could be going on...

We're guaranteed a game against a Big East school for five years. That helps tons with the RPI.

We're guaranteed a game against great competition. No, not an upper-tier mid-major. A top five team in a power conference--there is a big difference.

We get money 3 out of the 5 games to play this team. Yes, we could get more elsewhere, but when you're a mid-major fighting for respect, playing a BCS conference team (and a good one at that) during the regular season garners a lot more respect than beating a quality mid-major. (keep in mind we have no long-term scheduling with mid-majors, which can be up and down , but rather a team that should be a power in the conference)

When did Gonzaga really appear on the scene? After making the sweet 16 twice or whatever? Yes, but keep in mind they haven't really done too much in the tournament since then, at least according to their expectations. They have however, played some great competition and beaten some great teams during the regular season.

I don't see it as that bad of a deal, although the whole argument about that's what Wisconsin's getting, so that's what we'll offer sucks.

Bud and Rob know what they're doing a lot more than we ever will.

T

[obobo55]

I obviously don't know the terms of the buy games, but consider this:

The deal going forward with the UW is a 2-for-1 with 1 buy game every four years.

This MU deal pays every year except the very last. The UW deal pays off just for the buy game and the home game once every four.

The cash UWM brings in for the 2010 game in the Cell should bring lots of bonus $$$ if UWM can put it together in package deals with other games.

The year UWM gets nothing from MU (2011) is a year when they host UW (a guaranteed sellout).
.................................

As long as MU is offering decent money for those first three "buy" games, I think this works out quite nicely. Panthers get an opportunity twice each year to knock off one (or both) of the in-state BCS schools. Even with a loss it helps the RPI, provides major coverage, and provides a good measuring stick. Travel for this game has to be better than what UWM normally has had to endure (particularly if they can set up the game to fit in somewhere around finals week when travel for all is difficult). Plus it is one more game a year that Panther fans can attend easily (MU virtually never sells out its NC games).

WHile I do think the Panthers do perhaps deserve a better deal, with MU and the BE going to a 18-game slate in conference it was going to be very difficult to get them to give more IMO.

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tbone said:

Some other things that could be going on...

We're guaranteed a game against a Big East school for five years. That helps tons with the RPI.

We're guaranteed a game against great competition. No, not an upper-tier mid-major. A top five team in a power conference--there is a big difference.

We get money 3 out of the 5 games to play this team. Yes, we could get more elsewhere, but when you're a mid-major fighting for respect, playing a BCS conference team (and a good one at that) during the regular season garners a lot more respect than beating a quality mid-major. (keep in mind we have no long-term scheduling with mid-majors, which can be up and down , but rather a team that should be a power in the conference)

When did Gonzaga really appear on the scene? After making the sweet 16 twice or whatever? Yes, but keep in mind they haven't really done too much in the tournament since then, at least according to their expectations. They have however, played some great competition and beaten some great teams during the regular season.

I don't see it as that bad of a deal, although the whole argument about that's what Wisconsin's getting, so that's what we'll offer sucks.

Bud and Rob know what they're doing a lot more than we ever will.

T

I have always said that if we can't get a 2-1 or 3-1 deal then we shouldn't do it, but Tbone is dead on with his comments. This is going to help our exposure (more in state, maybe out of state) and our RPI.

[BBFran]

Less than two years ago MU refused even to talk with UWM about playing. Its coach (who, given his new contract, might now better be referred to as the "Dear Leader") stated categorically that MU was not interested in playing the game. Now UWM is on the cusp of a five year deal. So gee, I wonder who "won" this hand?

You do NOT want to play poker with Bud and Rob.