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Post by pnthr30 on Mar 21, 2006 10:23:43 GMT -6
For the students........ How many of you actually think that you will have only one job your entire working life? For the "older" posters: How many jobs have you had in your working career? If you have only had one to date, what do you think the chances are that you will never change positions? Just something to think about........  |
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Post by pantherpanther on Mar 21, 2006 10:26:46 GMT -6
Nobody is saying that Jeter will be here forever. You cannot fault him for considering the Iowa State job, just as you cannot fault students and fans for getting upset at the thought of him leaving after less than a year. If you care about the program and the players, you had to feel some sense of anxiety about the situation and how it would have left us. That's just being realistic.
I honestly don't think anyone thinks Jeter will be here forever.
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damasa
Sophomore
KFC: Kick From Chuck. What else do you need?
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Post by damasa on Mar 21, 2006 10:47:20 GMT -6
Jeter won't be here forever and I don't expect him to. I do think he will be here a few years and continue to establish the program. Then we'll move on to another coach and congratulate Jeter when he leaves.
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Post by mkesbest on Mar 21, 2006 11:39:43 GMT -6
very true panther30, I've had three jobs in six years
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Post by brewtownbrian on Mar 21, 2006 11:41:51 GMT -6
I've had 4 jobs in 4 years...
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Post by pnthr30 on Mar 21, 2006 11:53:34 GMT -6
All I am saying is that it is a fact of life that people change jobs throughout their professional careers, and bball coaches are no different. The fact that he said he likes it in MKE, he likes UWM, he is comfortable here, etc. is does not make him a liar, nor does it ensure the fact that he won't leave. It simply means that he currently feels that way.........I recently left a job that I really liked, the same one that gave me my start in my chosen career (for a new, better one). Right up until the time that I left, I enjoyed my job, boss, co-workers, etc. and told them as much. Then I was presented with a new and exciting opportunity and had to tell them I was leaving......it was not easy, nor did it change the way I felt about the job (positively), it just indicated that I was ready to go a different direction. Someday, the same thing is going to happen to us (again), it doesn't make RJ (or whomoever) a liar, snake, or whatever else some of you chose to call him, it simply makes him a person who is doing what he thinks is best for himself and his family. Speaking from experience, it is tough to leave a place that you like (and I can only imagine how much harder it must be in the coaching profession), much less uprooting your family to assume a huge risk.........simply put, this is not a decision that is taken lightly. The last thing that RJ (or any coach) needs is for people who are supposedly on his side (or at least were a week ago) bashing him about looking at this opportunity (or any other one that may present itself). That being said, I was more than a bit nervous and anxious to see what direction UWM was going to be headed in. |
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schweaty
Freshman
One of the two doctoral universities in the University of Wisconsin system
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Post by schweaty on Mar 21, 2006 11:59:30 GMT -6
Did your ex-employer's foundation crack after you left? That's what would've happened to UWM if Jeter left the team. (ok maybe thats an exaggeration but it still would have been bad news bears for u-dub)
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Post by pnthr30 on Mar 21, 2006 12:06:19 GMT -6
Did your ex-employer's foundation crack after you left? That's what would've happened to UWM if Jeter left the team. (ok maybe thats an exaggeration but it still would have been bad news bears for u-dub) I will not argue with the fact that UWM would have been in tough shape........However, this is still a business, and to be quite frank, it is not a coaches responsibility to make sure programs are in "good" shape before they decide to leave. With that being said, it is not ethical, responsible, or "right" to run a program into the ground and then leave, but that was in no way, shape, or form what happened here. Rob worked hard with a team he inherited, worked hard on instilling "his" system, worked hard on recruiting, etc...........he held up his end of the bargain.........he was pursued (he did not pursue) and listened to what they had to offer. Would it have hurt if he left.........no question, but I just don't think that he derserved any of the ill will that was being thrown around. |
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Post by milwsport on Mar 21, 2006 13:05:25 GMT -6
I don't think the RJ ran us into the ground either but I do think that had he left we would have been in very bad shape, and I do think Coach's have at least a moral obligation not to leave their programs in worse shape than they were when they got there.
I also think people like Bill Johnson should ease up. Some of the things that were said were offensive but the VAST MAJORITY of posts were expressing concern about the shape the program would be in if RJ left.
FURTHERMORE, RJ himself helped fuel the fire. When you tell the press that you've interviewed for a job and you're waiting for them to get back to you, most people are going to see that as an interest in taking that job. Combine that with what was posted on ISU's official fan site and it's unofficial one and it's easy to see why people got upset.
But again it was really only a few people who got out of hand out of the hundreds who were on this board last night.
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Post by PantherLou on Mar 21, 2006 13:19:24 GMT -6
I don't think the RJ ran us into the ground either but I do think that had he left we would have been in very bad shape, and I do think Coach's have at least a moral obligation not to leave their programs in worse shape than they were when they got there. Coaches have an obligation as an employee to do what is best for the program while they are employed by the university. If they don't...they get fired. There is NO morality involved here. You said it yourself: you felt Rob had a moral obligation to this university. I'm sorry, but that attitude is what filed the fire, not concern over the program. We ALL are concerned about the program, that's why we post here. He never held a press conference or made any official comment. Why is everyone so intent to make RJ the villain here? I think you are grossly underestimating the hateful and negative things said by many members of this board yesterday. |
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Post by milwsport on Mar 21, 2006 13:25:10 GMT -6
Maybe those hateful things were edited out before I saw them and maybe they were only from a few people. I'm not making RJ into a villian here, just saying that he chose the wrong words when talking to the JS. Those words made some believe that ISU fan sites may have had it right.
I should add that it should be kept in mind that like any program UWM needs people emotionally attached to it. That attachment can have some drawbacks such as what we saw from some (but nowhere near close to 10%) of the posters here yesterday
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Post by PantherLou on Mar 21, 2006 13:30:52 GMT -6
Trust me, there was a lot that was deleted (not by me, either) that you did not see.
And no, I know you are not trying to make Jeter look like a villain, but many are...
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