Horizon League Tourney Brackets

[milwsport]

gbfanj said:

Well, you guys get the easy path through the HL tournament this year. You only have to worry about facing one team that beat you this season. All of the teams that beat you ended up on the opposite side of the bracket. So, if you make it to the championship, you'll have to face one team that beat you this season.

You mean when you earn the #1 seed you play the weaker teams so winning the regular season championship actually means something?

What a concept!

[Pantherholic]

if i'm not mistaken, when the tourney comes to milwaukee, the higher seed decides if they want to be considered the "home" team or not. how great would it be if poor mans coach k decides to be the home team and has to sit by a particular student section who hates and has little to no respect for him. WE MUST PACK THE STUDENT SECTION ON FRIDAY. i know some of you might think he's not stupid enough to do this but consider this:

1) this is poor man's coack k we're talking about. he thinks Fairleigh Dickinson is more talented than anyone in our conference. 'nuff said.
2) since we don't play on friday he might think our student presence might be low.

thoughts?

[GBFanJ]

Here's something to consider. Do you really want to take the chance of play any of the other teams in our side of the bracket in the championship? Consider these things:

1. UWGB was the first team that beat UWM. WSU, UIC, and Butler all beat UWM more recently.

2. The UWGB game for UWM was one of the most lopsided home wins for UWM. WSU and Butler both played UWM close, and UIC won there.

3. You'd almost have a guaranteed packed arena for the championship game if it is UWGB vs. UWM.

So, the question is, do you want to possibly play a tougher opponent in the championship game? You would probably still get a packed house, but there's not as much of a guarantee. Plus, your crowd would be more energized for a game against UWGB.



Plus, Coach Kowalczyk apologized for his comments after the Farleigh Dickinson game. You would be just as upset after a game that was literally stolen away in the last seconds. If you're coach made similar comments, though, it wouldn't be as big of a deal.

However, since my comments won't make any difference, go ahead and keep making your arrogant comments and twisting everything that I say into something negative that derogatory to your team, when my intention was not to be negative. When I post something, I generally try to be as neutral as possible. However, I'm tired of trying to be neutral when the things I say are taken the wrong way no matter what I say.

Enjoy your last year on top of the league.

[mwu]

gbfanj said:

3. You'd almost have a guaranteed packed arena for the championship game if it is UWGB vs. UWM.

So, the question is, do you want to possibly play a tougher opponent in the championship game? You would probably still get a packed house, but there's not as much of a guarantee. Plus, your crowd would be more energized for a game against UWGB.

um im pretty sure we packed the house when we played detroit. i dont see a difference as to whom we play it will be packed regardless.

the question is do we want to watch a basketball game or an asswhpping of our retarded cousins from the north.


[quote/]Plus, Coach Kowalczyk apologized for his comments after the Farleigh Dickinson game. You would be just as upset after a game that was literally stolen away in the last seconds. If you're coach made similar comments, though, it wouldn't be as big of a deal.[/quote]

our coach has the sense not to say something as completely ridiculous as that.

[Hack]

gbfanj said:

3. You'd almost have a guaranteed packed arena for the championship game if it is UWGB vs. UWM.

So, the question is, do you want to possibly play a tougher opponent in the championship game? You would probably still get a packed house, but there's not as much of a guarantee.

2003 HL Championship vs. Butler -- 10,115 in attendance
2004 HL Championship vs. UIC -- 10,254
2005 HL Championship vs. Detroit -- 10,783 (complete sellout)

UWGB or no UWGB, I don't think UWM will have a problem packing the house for a championship game.

[GBFanJ]

I was debating whether to add that or not. So, I'm wrong on that point. I'm not ashamed to admit that.

[Pantherholic]

gbfanj said:

1. UWGB was the first team that beat UWM. WSU, UIC, and Butler all beat UWM more recently.

GB, WSU and Butler beat us on the road. big difference. when was the last time poor man's coach k
a) beat Milw. IN Milw.
b) won in Milw. regardless of opponent?

gbfanj said:

3. You'd almost have a guaranteed packed arena for the championship game if it is UWGB vs. UWM.

So, the question is, do you want to possibly play a tougher opponent in the championship game? You would probably still get a packed house, but there's not as much of a guarantee. Plus, your crowd would be more energized for a game against UWGB.

Championship game was sold out last year and we played Detroit. our crowd is gonna be plenty energized considering if we win, we're dancing regardless who we're playing.

gbfanj said:

Plus, Coach Kowalczyk apologized for his comments after the Farleigh Dickinson game. You would be just as upset after a game that was literally stolen away in the last seconds. If you're coach made similar comments, though, it wouldn't be as big of a deal.

this is what kowalczyk's apology said...

“On behalf of myself, our basketball program, the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay and the Horizon League, I’d like to apologize for my postgame comments following Saturday night’s game against Fairleigh Dickinson. My comments were made following a very emotional game and I realize that they are unfair and unacceptable.

“I’d like to offer an apology to Fairleigh Dickinson and the Northeast Conference. I have the utmost respect for Tom Green and the Fairleigh Dickinson program. I’d also like to apologize to the game officials, ESPN and the participating conferences of the BracketBusters event for any comments that may have questioned their integrity."

where in this does he apologize TO the HL for saying we're less talented than a team who is never more than a 16 seed? if you're referencing the last part i put in bold, he talks about questioning their integrity, NOT TALENT.

gbfanj said:

However, since my comments won't make any difference, go ahead and keep making your arrogant comments and twisting everything that I say into something negative that derogatory to your team, when my intention was not to be negative. When I post something, I generally try to be as neutral as possible. However, I'm tired of trying to be neutral when the things I say are taken the wrong way no matter what I say.

your previous post was worded ambiguously enough to be perceived in different ways. not our fault we didn't see it the way you meant to say it.

gbfanj said:

Enjoy your last year on top of the league.

enjoy many more years never getting to the top

[milwsport]

Apparently some people don't understand how this works.

You win the number 1 seed by playing well enough to earn it during the regular season. The tourney brackets are set up according to seeds. The number 1 seed plays the winner of the 4 seed's pool. They don't choose who they play.

The Panther earned their number 1 seed, and now they get to reap the benefits of that.

BTW, I don't think we should be dissing GB and Coach K. In Coach K's case, there is no need. All we have to do is let him talk to the press.

In the case of his athletes, they're a decent team and capable of beating anyone in the league. (whether they will or not will be determined when the ref says play ball.)

[brewtownbrian]

gbfanj said:

Enjoy your last year on top of the league.

gbfanj...you were so classy and passive your entire post and then you've got throw smack talk in at the very end...

And you wonder why your posts get turned into something negative.

Unless you have some ESP knowledge about next year, I suggest you keep quiet based on an 8-8 conference record and a 14-15 overall record for Green Bay.

[troggy]

milwsport said:

You mean when you earn the #1 seed you play the weaker teams so winning the regular season championship actually means something?

What a concept!

As if hosting the tournament and getting a bye to the semi-finals isn't advantage enough.

[boosyourdaddy]

gbfanj said:

Here's something to consider. Do you really want to take the chance of play any of the other teams in our side of the bracket in the championship? Consider these things:

1. UWGB was the first team that beat UWM. WSU, UIC, and Butler all beat UWM more recently.

2. The UWGB game for UWM was one of the most lopsided home wins for UWM. WSU and Butler both played UWM close, and UIC won there.

3. You'd almost have a guaranteed packed arena for the championship game if it is UWGB vs. UWM.

So, the question is, do you want to possibly play a tougher opponent in the championship game? You would probably still get a packed house, but there's not as much of a guarantee. Plus, your crowd would be more energized for a game against UWGB.



Plus, Coach Kowalczyk apologized for his comments after the Farleigh Dickinson game. You would be just as upset after a game that was literally stolen away in the last seconds. If you're coach made similar comments, though, it wouldn't be as big of a deal.

However, since my comments won't make any difference, go ahead and keep making your arrogant comments and twisting everything that I say into something negative that derogatory to your team, when my intention was not to be negative. When I post something, I generally try to be as neutral as possible. However, I'm tired of trying to be neutral when the things I say are taken the wrong way no matter what I say.

Enjoy your last year on top of the league.

1. If you are tired of things being taken out of context, don't leave BS messages at the bottom of your post like the last one. You might as well be saying, "well you know, we really aren't that good this year, but my UWGB crystal ball says things might change next year."

2. If we are playing next Tuesday in the championship, the Cell will be packed regardless of the opponent. Still can't really take you seriously when we played you ON A SATURDAY at GB and your student section was less than half full. I think we brought more students up there without a bus.

3. If you think a Coach K apology is going to quiet the Krazies you need to hook me up with whatever you are smoking.

[JimmyLemke]

gbfanj said:

Here's something to consider. Do you really want to take the chance of play any of the other teams in our side of the bracket in the championship? Consider these things:

1. UWGB was the first team that beat UWM. WSU, UIC, and Butler all beat UWM more recently.

2. The UWGB game for UWM was one of the most lopsided home wins for UWM. WSU and Butler both played UWM close, and UIC won there.

3. You'd almost have a guaranteed packed arena for the championship game if it is UWGB vs. UWM.

We'll pack the house if WSU plays here, which is the team on your side of the bracket we all least care about.

gbfanj said:

So, the question is, do you want to possibly play a tougher opponent in the championship game? You would probably still get a packed house, but there's not as much of a guarantee. Plus, your crowd would be more energized for a game against UWGB.

Says who? We have a bigger rivalry with Lickliter and Collins. We just make fun of your f-oil-licly leader.

gbfanj said:

Plus, Coach Kowalczyk apologized for his comments after the Farleigh Dickinson game. You would be just as upset after a game that was literally stolen away in the last seconds. If you're coach made similar comments, though, it wouldn't be as big of a deal.

I believe that UWM also had a hard fought loss against Missouri State. Rob Jeter took it in stride, and if you don't know, coaches have at least 10 minutes after a game to do their press conference, and when I was at the UWGB game in Milwaukee, poor man's coach k had me looking at my watch for about 20. Point is, plenty of time to cool down.

gbfanj said:

However, since my comments won't make any difference, go ahead and keep making your arrogant comments and twisting everything that I say into something negative that derogatory to your team, when my intention was not to be negative. When I post something, I generally try to be as neutral as possible. However, I'm tired of trying to be neutral when the things I say are taken the wrong way no matter what I say.

Enjoy your last year on top of the league.

How about you enjoy being a PUBLIC school that will never have even half the students our school has.

Green Bay will never go to the Sweet Sixteen. May be in the past for Milwaukee, but at least they have done it.

UWGB's "Greatest Recruiting Class" won't even win conference once while it is there. Quote me on that.

[DunneDeal]

Good thinking....but I think if GB keeps these wonders and keeps good recruiting, they could pull out something....just maybe.

[milwsport]

troggy said:

milwsport said:

You mean when you earn the #1 seed you play the weaker teams so winning the regular season championship actually means something?

What a concept!

As if hosting the tournament and getting a bye to the semi-finals isn't advantage enough.

I know let's all call up the HL and tell them UWM wants to play Futler in the first round so the GB fans don't feel like we've been given some unfair advantage.

That way the HL can make history since no tournament has ever been run that way. Plus the GB fans will be happy and of course we all live to make them happy, there are so few of them we can't afford to lose anyone!

[TBone]

Jimmy,

Perhaps you need to settle down. I'm on your side and all, but UWGB made plenty of noise in the dance when Mr. Bennett was their coach. To say they'll never make the sweet sixteen is a prediction that is just downright silly. (who would have thought we would make the sweet sixteen in our second ever tourney appearance?) UWGB has a very solid team this year. Kepp in mind, they whooped our butts in their house on national TV. (and that whooping may very well have an impact on our seeding...after all, who's to say that national TV games don't have an impact on the committee when they determine seeds, especially for teams that really don't have much as far as quality wins)

We'd have a packed house regardless of who we played. We've had consistent near sellouts for the last three championship games in the Cell. Given our spotty play in conference, even at home, I wouldn't go penciling us in for the championship game either. We still have to show up and play a solid game, including hitting some free throws.

I think GBFan has a point in saying that if our team got "hosed" on calls by the refs and Jeter made negative comments towards the refs...we wouldn't consider it a big deal because we would feel he was correct. Perspective has a funny effect on people and their opinions.

GB is going to have a very good team next year, and you may want to play a game of President (there's another name for this drinking game which shouldn't be spoken in public forums like this to learn a bit of diplomacy.

Who cares who has more students? That didn't stop Hickory High from winning the Indiana state championship. There have been plenty of smaller schools to have won the NCAA championship over schools with bigger student bodies. More students has absolutely no impact on who the better basketball program is.

In all honesty, let's just drop the GB-UWM thing for now until we play again. There are other and for the immediate moment, bigger fish to fry at this point like Detroit or Loyola likely, but maybe Youngstown St, (ok, I laughed at that too) or Cleveland State (no really, I spit beer out my nose on that one). Once we have to play UWGB again, they'll be the big fish to fry.

Let GB fans mouth off as much as they want. If they can get to and beat Butler and we win, then it's on. For the time being, they were 8-8 in conference whereas we were 12-4.

GB may or may not win the conference with this recruiting class, but they've proven this year they can play with anyone in the league. I think next year will be a very intersting season in the Horizon.

T