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Post by admin on Feb 12, 2006 22:51:13 GMT -6
Here's the Preseason Poll:
1. Milwaukee (37) 379
2. Detroit (4) 326
3. Loyola (2) 269
4. Wright State 226
5. Butler 206
6. UIC 199
7. UW-Green Bay 159
8. Cleveland State 120
9. Youngstown State 51
And the current standings:
1. UW-Milwaukee 11-3 18-6
2. Butler 8-4 15-9
3. Wright State 8-5 12-11
4. UW-Green Bay 7-7 13-13
5. Loyola 6-7 14-9
(tie) Detroit 6-7 12-14
7. UIC 5-8 12-13
8. Cleveland State 4-9 8-15
(tie) Youngstown State 4-9 7-16
Let the debating/voting begin (voting closes next Sunday night) ...
Next week, we'll debate the Player of the Year race.
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Post by milwsport on Feb 12, 2006 23:23:04 GMT -6
It's important to keep in mind that pre-season predictions are based on people's opinions of how good (or bad) a team is. What actually happens in a season is what counts.
I go for Jeter for 3 reasons
1) While he had good talent, UWM's talent is not as dominating as it was the last two years.
2) He had to get control of the team
3) He introduced a new system on offense that will serve us well in future years
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ArtVandelay
Freshman
I am Art Vandelay, I am an Importer/Exporter
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Post by ArtVandelay on Feb 12, 2006 23:43:17 GMT -6
I love Jeter, but I just don't think he deserves coach of the year. Pearl left UWM with the team stacked to win conference again. While Rob did have to over-come some obstacles, other coaches had to do more. If Rob can keep this success next year he deserves coach of the year honors.
Rob is a great fundamentals coach, and has a reputation for solid recruiting. If his recruiting pays off and he improves his game coaching I'm sure he will be winning this award many times in the years to come. These are mainly Pearl's players technically so Rob really doesn't deserve the credit yet.
I voted for Coach Slick, but right now its kind of a wash between Biancardi and him. If UWGB beats Butler I think Slick should get it. He probably deserves it this year because of how much they lost from last season. They were picked to be near the bottom of the league and now have put themselves in a position to be in the top 4. Also UWGB has so far avoided that late season melt down that has so often plagued them. Lets see if they will finally be able to win a road game in the tournament this year...
Art Vandelay
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Post by Big D on Feb 12, 2006 23:46:02 GMT -6
I think it's still too early to ask this. I would say Lickliter deserves consideration, but if they tank the rest of their games...
If WSU wins out, then Biancardi should be in the mix...
While Jeter has done a fine job, I don't see how he can get it. UWM was the hands down favorite to win this league. I could probably coach your team to an HL crown.
What about YSU's coach?...he's taken over a crummy team and turned them into a much more competitive group. Their record still may be unimpressive, but they could just as easily have a couple more wins (they could've beaten UIC at UIC, Detroit at Detroit, and WSU at home)...
At this point, I'd have to say Lickliter, Jeter, Biancardi, and then Slocum...
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Post by Hack on Feb 12, 2006 23:53:02 GMT -6
What about YSU's coach?...he's taken over a crummy team and turned them into a much more competitive group. Their record still may be unimpressive, but they could just as easily have a couple more wins (they could've beaten UIC at UIC, Detroit at Detroit, and WSU at home)... I started to put Slocum's name in there, but then thought about this week ... 41-point loss in which YSU showed little fight followed by a lackluster 22-point loss. I agree he's done a great job of getting YSU "competitive," but they are still in last place. |
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Post by Pantherholic on Feb 13, 2006 0:48:37 GMT -6
If Butler finishes 2nd then Lickliter should get it. their pre-season forecast was pretty bleak and they couldn't fall back on the "we have a young team" excuse. yes GB has done much better than anyone thought but i don't think anyone predicted Butler to do this well. Street & Smith, Athlon, Lindy and College Hoopsnet ALL projected GB to finish ahead of Butler w/ the only exception being the HL's Pre-season poll. Not to mention Butler playing very tough games vs. Ohio St. and Michigan BOTH on the road. the homer in me is rooting for Jeter but it's hard to deny Butler's accomplishments so far. with that being said i'm still going to find a way to try to root for the GB men as i'll probably be at the women's game here in town. i don't care if YSU is playing more competitive ball, their still in last place.
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Post by brewtownbrian on Feb 13, 2006 16:38:39 GMT -6
First off...I love the UIC Tele-tubby...hilarious! I can't wait to boo that slimey-ass Jimmy Collins on Wed. night.
I think a strong case should be made for Lickliter, but in the end I voted for Jeter because an argument could be made that he had a tougher situation than any other coach in the league.
The biggest thing I think about this season compared to last is that this is a very different team than last year. Just because the players are the same doesn't necessarily mean they will go to the NCAA tournament again and upset some 4 and 5 seeds.
Jeter took over a team with HUGE expectations to have the same success as last year. I put expectations on them to be successful but have to remember we're a different team with a different system.
Also, Jeter had to learn how to coach each player so that they'd respond in the most positive manner. Here's an example...I remember reading or hearing last season about Boo Davis being a shy, laid-back and non-confrontational guy...which he is. Pearl would yell and scream at him during practice and games and nothing seemed to work too well.
Somewhere along the way Pearl figured out a different approach to Boo and it changed things quite drastically.
I think a lot of people under-estimate how hard that is to do. Now imagine trying to do it for a whole team.
Aside from the guys Jeter brought in...he's coaching a group of guys that he most likely would not have recruited on his own...that's gotta be tough. He's got to get them to believe in his system...not easy!
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Post by formerseasonticketholder on Feb 13, 2006 17:28:40 GMT -6
Slocum and his players quit in the first half when they played here - no way he is coach of the year unless he's been totally different the rest of the season.
small k did a good job in GB, but just as poorly here.
Biancardi and Jeter have done the best work that I've seen so far.
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Post by teddyp00 on Feb 13, 2006 19:58:41 GMT -6
Voted for Kowalczyk just over Lickliter for two reasons. First, GB is an extremely young team that no one did or should have expected anything from and have exceded expectations far and away IMO. While Butler is a vertran team that was expected to be decent (think I expected a third place finish for them). Second, the has been marked improvement by GB. Someone pointed out that GB was destroyed by us at the cell, but I think if we played them now at home it would be much closer. Mean while Butler has been a solid team from the start playing teams like Ohio St tough. So basically by exceding (my) expectations and having him team improve game after game is why I game Kowalczyk the nod for coach of the year for the league.
As for Jeter, I agree with all that he has done a wonderful job, but much was in place for him and he has managed to meet expectations. Granted getting another coaches recruits to buy into your system is no easy task, sevearl of the guys were Jeter's recruits including key team leaders such as Hill and Tigert which had to make the buying in to his system easier. A finish in the top two by us next year should get him the honor next year.
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Post by formerseasonticketholder on Feb 13, 2006 22:16:21 GMT -6
isn't GB under .500, both overall and in the conference?
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Post by Pantherholic on Feb 13, 2006 22:35:37 GMT -6
isn't GB under .500, both overall and in the conference? 7-7 in conference and 12-13 overall. while it may not look impressive, they're still a 4 seed right now. brewtownbrian - thanks for the compliment, Lou's fondness of teletubbies was in part the reason i brought him back  |
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Post by formerseasonticketholder on Feb 14, 2006 17:29:58 GMT -6
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Womack
Freshman
Second best is the first loser
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Post by Womack on Feb 15, 2006 17:57:04 GMT -6
At this point I would give it to Biancardi...He has done a wonderful job with those guys and really played tough all year..If they win out in conference and finish 11-5 he will get it
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Womack
Freshman
Second best is the first loser
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Post by Womack on Feb 15, 2006 17:58:03 GMT -6
How about national coach of the year?
Bruce Pearl anyone? If they win the SEC and win a game in the tourney he has to be considered right up there...They have moved to #8 nationally
I would also take a close look at Bruce Weber at Illinois and what they have done after losing all those guys...Its pretty remarkable
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damasa
Sophomore
KFC: Kick From Chuck. What else do you need?
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Post by damasa on Feb 15, 2006 18:01:35 GMT -6
This board has some bias alright! Why should Robbie be COY? He came in with a stacked team and just about every publication out there had UWM winning the conference this year.
I just don't see it. Now if Robbie can do the same next year or at least get UWM to win conference then I think he'd be the frontrunner for COY honors.
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