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Post by Hack on Dec 16, 2005 14:55:24 GMT -6
In case you missed it, the official with the one-sided whistle was covered in hairspray. I believe his name is Skiles. Never, ever trust any official (or coach) who uses hair products. You're crazy. [/kowalczyk]
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Post by nohopspanther on Dec 16, 2005 15:07:17 GMT -6
Fran I appreciate your steadfast belief that home teams sometimes get advantages. However had Jeter not taken a T, I would have by charging the court. The officiating was absolutely 4th grade worthy. Bo spent the entire game b****ing and the refs all aquiesced. Massiah got blasted going for a dunk with the ref standing right under the damn hoop and he blew the call and the T. The boys got asbolutely worked by the 3 blind mice last night. I lost a ton of respect for Bo Cryan when I got to the car, turned on the post game with Lucas and Lepay and he was complaining about not getting enough calls. I will also stand solidly behind Rob Jeter now as I finally saw the robot show an emotional investment in the game and the screw job. Not to mention, they finally dusted off the $@%^$#% press and what a surprise, it worked. About damn time too.
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Post by BBFran on Dec 16, 2005 15:58:59 GMT -6
nohops, you seem to have a lot of anger. Just kidding. It's okay to be tickled off when your team has lost a close one, and bad officiating is always an easy target. Hell, ten years ago who really cared? This is progress! But Ryan was right that they missed calls that would have favored the Badgers, too, and he wasn't doing anything more than Rob was doing in his post-game comments making that point. It's about stating your case and making sure the officials hear you. It's no surprise that a cagey old vet like Ryan is better at doing that DURING the game than a guy coaching his 7th game. Rob will learn. Oh, and it's a good thing you didn't charge the court. They wouldn't have let you watch the rest of the game. Jeter at least got to stick around.
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Post by PantherLou on Dec 16, 2005 16:02:42 GMT -6
It's just something you have to overcome. I agree. But that doesn't mean I have to like it. And while I also agree that it's something that happens often, I felt that last night was beyond what I consider a standard amount of "home cooking".
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Post by germanathens on Dec 16, 2005 16:12:33 GMT -6
Amen Lou, Amen. Of course Madison does no wrong, and never complains about refs. Which is exactly why Barry DEMANDED that Big 10 officials would ref the UW/Hawaii game. Barry feared a "home cooking."
Why can't we have Horizon League refs at the Kohl Center?
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Post by uwm97 on Dec 16, 2005 16:19:57 GMT -6
"Not to mention, they finally dusted off the $@%^$#% press and what a surprise, it worked. About damn time too."
Well that makes two of us now who believe this. Let's hope he puts it on again against Green Bay.
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Post by ArtVandelay on Dec 16, 2005 16:31:54 GMT -6
The sad part Freak is that those refs actually do officiate Horizon League games Art Vandelay
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Post by germanathens on Dec 16, 2005 16:36:34 GMT -6
Oh, well, that makes everything clear. Just an average night in HL officiating. I no longer have complaints.
Later, UWMfreak The Anti-University of Wisconsin at Madison
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Post by BBFran on Dec 16, 2005 17:42:40 GMT -6
Don't you guys remember that Sanzere refereed the Horizon title game last year? The moment I saw him I thought, "oh oh."
Guys, there are no home cooking conspiracies here. What does happen, however, is that often times a referee will get intimidated by or carried along with a home crowd and it will subtly affect the calls. We've all seen that a million times. And again, a gesture or reaction that gets Rob Jeter (or any brand new coach) a T might not get a Tom Izzo a T because there's some relationship or familiarity built up there. Human nature.
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Post by bball30 on Dec 16, 2005 17:46:32 GMT -6
Nohops,
right on. No one on this board will convince me that Jeter's T was bad, and Michael Hunt writes a good article. Even if he did sympathize with uwm, he sure the hell didn't come out and criticize UW-Madison. Bo Ryan's respect level in my book is gone. I was sitting near the bench and all that old man does is whine. Typical badger home win, I now know why Bo has the home record he does
GO PANTHERS
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Post by teddyp00 on Dec 16, 2005 18:50:52 GMT -6
I was sitting next to a guy at a bar last night watching the second half. He turns to me and says, wonder if anyone has ever thought about doing a study on refs heart rate and their calls. The thought process is that over the course of a game a ref get positive feedback from the crowd for making a call in favor of the home team and negative feedback everytime they make a call the home fans dont like. Over the course of a game they must eventually begin to affect the ref, especially in a close game. This turned into a long discussion, but I made my point. I have a good friends that ref at the lower college ranks right now and after a few beers admits that this happens all the time. You go into a game trying to be consistent on your calls, but in close games you tend to make some calls that favor one team (usually the home team or the team making a big run because you get caught up in the momentum too). That is why I never try to blame the refs after a game (during is a different story). The human factor to sports is what we all tend to love the most and as fans we need to just take the good with the bad.
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Post by JimmyLemke on Dec 17, 2005 22:43:07 GMT -6
man, I was in the media room...he was talking to Mark Stewart, Bobbi Roquemore, and Bud Haidet, and the dude's ass crack was tough to ignore.
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Post by milwsport on Dec 17, 2005 23:28:34 GMT -6
I don't think there was a UW conspiracy but there doesn't have to be. Refs for non-conference games get assigned by their league offices based on how highly the coach rated them.
The refs know if the home team loses they will get blamed and they won't get any more action from that team.
I'm sure these guys will get an A from Bo Ryan, specially the one who called all the technicals.
And let's not blame Ryan for his comments. He knew that everyone witnessed the same BS he did. He was trying to act like the refs didn't help UW. In truth there were more calls they could have made on us. But it's also true that there were WAY WAY more calls they could have made on them.
The answer as some have suggested is have refs assigned out of a NCAA office. If a ref has obvious hard on against a coach or team fine, but otherwise let the chips fall where they may.
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