Rob Jeter Judgement Day

[Womack]

I'm with Kroener

[milwsport]

Jeter is the coach. Im sure the players have to make some adjustments both on and off the court. I'm equally sure they aren't going to like all of them.

But if the team is in turmoil that's not good. Throwing gasoline on a smoldering fire will only lead to its getting out of control.

Something like that happened when I was at UWM and on the Athletic Board. It took almost 20 years for the program to recover.

BTW, I didn't agree with the hire either but it's done. Jeter's the coach and he needs and should get our support at least through next season. In Bud I trust

[fan]

pantherholic said:

fan said:

For instance Matt Millen allowed Mooch 2.5 years to prove himself and then found him inadequate.

PLEASE tell me you aren't comparing our situation to the Detroit Lions!!!!!!! if so, just jump off a bridge now. Matt Millen is a dumbass dipsh*t who is just as much to blame, possibly a little more than Mooch for the Lions remaining miserable failures. i could go on about the lions but i'll direct this back towards bball. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will a Rob Jeter-style UWM team. if you think this team can be built in that time then pack your sh*t up and support someone else. i think GB is looking for a few more retards. Whenever a coach brings in a new style requiring different capabilities from players it's going to take time. sometimes a month, sometimes a year, sometimes three years. sure there is the random occassion where guys respond instantaneously in the first year, cough, Super Bowl Champion Buccaneers, cough, but not as often. to judge a coach after 2 road games is beyond stupid. these guys are still learning this system and are paying for it through their mistakes. they know their talented and they know they still have work to do. good teams also occasionally lose games they shouldn't. the year after the Packers won the SB in the '90s they lost to the Colts who were 0-10 at that time i believe and where the butt of many jokes from ppl around the media. it happens. yes i was frustrated as hell w/ the game yesterday but i'm not stupid enough to start spouting off on how Jeter sucks or he makes me sick to my stomach or stupid crap like that. yes we have a great team but a coach can only do so much to prepare a team mentally for a game. is it jeter's fault that the guys were jacking up 3s to start the game? doubt it. is it jeter's fault guys were dribbling the ball off their foot and out of bounds? doubt it. it's ok to not agree w/ everything a coach does and Jeter on occassion might make a mistake. he's as imperfect as u and i (except lou since he's immortal ). however if you are going to support him, are u going to support him by chastising him at every mistake he makes or are u going to stand w/ him through the process and support him through the thick and thin? this poll isn't worth 2 squirts of monkey piss until mid-way through the 3rd season AT THE EARLIEST. next year is still too early since he'll be in Year 1 w/ the type of players he wants to run this team.

Are you ppl Florida Gators football fans btw? this might explain a few things if you are.

Nope I'm not comparing us to the Lions. In fact, I thinkthe Lions are not only terrible, I also find Matt Millen to be horrid. My point was that at some point a coach has to face critricism. I only used the Lions because they were a recent occurrence.

You do a great job of calling people needless names. Thank you. I'm glad that you took the liberty of criticisizing my poll and my right to post it as dumb and to regard me as stupid for posting it. The point of posting it was indeed for people like yourself to say when and where people would be able to judge Jeter. Your answer is obviously that we should wait much longer than a year. I do not understand why you have a need to post that things are "monkey piss" or that people are stupid. I'm glad that you have expressed your opinion but the poll seems to show that 2-3 years of losses would constitute a judgement of Jeter before the period when you ask. Although I can't tell you why they say so (as they seem to have not posted) I would assume this much is true. I admire that you can wait 2.5 seasons to assess a coaches performance. I could not. In fact, I actually don't admire your patience. I actually think you're lying to yourself as well as us. You can coach well without winning and you should be able to coach just about anyone if you are indeed a good coach.

Previous to the TTech game, the players were quite positive about Jeter. I haven't talked to them since.

[Pantherholic]

fan said:

I admire that you can wait 2.5 seasons to assess a coaches performance. I could not. In fact, I actually don't admire your patience. I actually think you're lying to yourself as well as us.

i'm lying to myself?! i'd love for u to tell me how i'm lying to myself. i want them to win this year as much as anyone else however i also know that last year was last year and this year is this year. we are not the same team as we were last year. we have a different style in place which will bring different results. i can feel for the seniors on the team b/c it can't be easy changing styles after succeeding in the previous one. however the old system is gone so it's stupid for ppl to keep thinking Jeter will go back to it. Bud knew who he was getting when he offered Jeter the job. it's not like he just asked him "Are you going to keep it uptempo?" "Yes Bud I will" "Great! do you want the job?". I find it amazing how so many ppl must think it would be easy to walk into another team's venue where they have won 77 out of 82 home games and EXPECT to beat them. we made a lot of mistakes that game that were mental errors on the players part and had nothing to do w/ coaching. in fact it's Jeter's emphasis on creating fouls that helped us get back into that game in the first place, not haulin' ass down court and shooting a 3. and like others have said, teams will play us to the best of their capability knowing who we are and what was recently accomplished by us. don't the Badgers play just a little bit tougher against Michigan b/c it's Michigan or the Packers when they play the Vikings? while i have no clue as to the continual cold shooting we have had i am confident that Jeter and the players are working on it and will hopefully show up vs. St. Louis on Saturday. i think their youth and inexperience will bode well for us.

[coacheinerson]

I'm with Jeter. I really, really think he is going to work out well for us. We're going to bang around on the inside, we're going to make free throws and we're going to win games. I don't think we're going to take anyone lightly... and that's something I criticized Bruce for numerous times in the past.

Call me crazy... but I have faith. Running is fun but you live and die by it. I think wearing teams down is more effective, especially if we keep hitting those free throws. Come on guys, if what's his name doesn't hit a three to put Tech up by four, we win that game... I really believe that.

[JimmyLemke]

I'm with what's best for the team.

Tony Jones is not what's best for the team.

I'd much rather have an associate head coach who is a star on the recruiting trail like Jeter than an assistant with such accolades as Best Dressed Coach.

Kroener, live in the now!

[tuckfinn42]

It's also is nice to know that Jeter has such strong recruiting pipelines. I don't think we'll see very many "weak" recruiting classes come to UWM as long as he's coach. I'll second that notion especially if he can get Ricky Franklin to stay put.

[brettpanther17]

So heres what i don't get. Why does everyone come on here and write numerous posts criticizing other peoples opinions. Telling someone to "get in the now" or completely ridiculing anothers post which i actually found very good by the way, we are all panther fans and i dont care if you just joined or have been a member on this board for 5 years now, at least show some respect for others posts and dont feel that you must tear someone a new @$$hole for posting a poll that you deemed useless. Why dont we all just show some respect for our fellow fans and keep the hatred you have towards people to yourselves.

The game is for the team not the fans, they are the ones sweating out there, not us, all we can do is watch them and cheer them on and by the looks of the content of this board the last few days, many people seemed to have forgotton that...

Lets get off this topic and on to St Louis cause that is a much more important issue

[uwm97]

"we are not the same team as we were last year. we have a different style in place which will bring different results. i can feel for the seniors on the team b/c it can't be easy changing styles after succeeding in the previous one. however the old system is gone so it's stupid for ppl to keep thinking Jeter will go back to it. Bud knew who he was getting when he offered Jeter the job. it's not like he just asked him Are you going to keep it uptempo"

Hmmm.............................Perhaps you need to recall a statement by Rob Jeter dated April 7th, right when he was hired:

Although Ryan isn't known for coaching an up-tempo style of basketball, Jeter said he planned to continue the frenetic style that was so successful for Pearl.

"These guys like to play an up-tempo style, and I see no reason that we wouldn't continue playing that way," he said. "We're going to continue to play a style of basketball that will make us successful and there is no reason to change that."

[ArtVandelay]

UWM97,

Yes I think everyone remembers what Rob said. The man didn't lie, at times we play up tempo and at times we play more controlled on offense. Frankly when we have tried playing up tempo this year I think we have played our worst basketball. We got down early to Memphis and Tennessee Tech trying to play quickly, thankfully Rob got the team to slow it down and value their possessions. Thats fine that you want up tempo basketball, just realize if its not working for the team this year then I hope we don't play it.

Frankly all I care about is winning. We could score 40 points a game, win and yet I'd be thrilled. Does it really matter that we aren't running up and down the court shooting dumb 3's out of transition? I'm a fan of this team... the players, the coach, and the institution. To get caught up in a style of play and refuse to change isn't going to help us. We really only have one significant 3 point threat in Boo this season. Without other players who can constantly step out and shoot the 3 we aren't going to be able to "run and gun" out of transition.

Rob is running a proven system, that (with practice) is going to (hopefully) win us games. I'll start worrying more if we lose the next few games by a large margin instead of by a few points like Tennessee Tech. If you don't like Rob, or you hate his system, or you want him fired thats fine. I'm not going to judge anyone because I don't feel the same way as you. I just hope everyone is still willing to attend the games and support the players even though they aren't happy with running the swing.

People have gone too far at times on both sides of judging Rob Jeter argument. The good thing though is that I would hope nobody would be offended by anyones opinions on here. Someone may think I'm a jackass or an idiot for liking the swing offense and thats fine. If you want to call me a jackass or an idiot go ahead. This is a message board people get over it. If you show up at my apartment to call me an idiot, however, then you will start creeping me out...

Frankly I like that fact that our fan base is very fiery. All the better to get the cell rocking when we get things on track.

Art Vandelay

[milwsport]

brettpanther17 said:

The game is for the team not the fans

I agree with your comments on being civil but I don't think the game is for the team.

I don't think any school is going to put out over $1 million so 14 or 15 guys can play basketball.

They put that out to get their name out, to build school spirit, to get the alumni excited enough to donate.

The game is for everyone. Without the school's money there is no team, without the fans who are interested enough to come there is no money, without the team there are no fans.

Fans want to win. If they don't win people don't come, the U pulls back and we're back to Division 2.

It is at least arguable that Jeter's offense is uptempo and will work. Let's see what happens before we imply the guy is a liar, doesn't know what he's doing etc.

[uwm97]

Vandelay, geez, did you take my post a little personally? All I'm trying to do is figure out what the hell is going on out there on the court and if anybody has a clue what our identity is. I have not criticized the swing offense, called for Jeter's firing, or anything else. The points I'm raising are valid and I'm using Jeter's OWN WORDS here. Is he a liar? Did he deceive Haidet and the fans by saying one thing and implementing something else? I don't know, we'll see. The facts are this team is shooting the ball like crap and not playing well.

I, like you, want to see this team win. Unlike you, I'm not drinking Rob Jeter Kool-Aid and not blindly trusting a man who has never been a head coach. People are expressing their opinions on this board due to their love of the team. I you don't like mine, then don't read them.

[ArtVandelay]

UWM97,

Sorry if you took my post as a personal attack. I was mainly trying to point out that we don't have the correct players based upon our lack of 3 point shooting to run last seasons offense. Also in your earlier post you seemed to be insinuating that Rob Jeter lied to Haidett and the fan base to get this job. I made an attempt to give you a different perspective and say that UWM has played up tempo this year and because of it got in a hole against Memphis and Tennessee Tech.

The part about not liking the system, or not liking Rob Jeter wasn't supposed to be directed at you. Even if you don't like him I made sure to say that it was fine and I wouldn't judge someone based on that. That part of my post was kind of meant to let people know that this is a message board and to not get heated over comments . I guess that got taken to mean the exact opposite thing...

I really have no problem with your opinion. You have just as much say with this team as me. I was just telling you that this team doesn't have the 3 point shooters to be last years team. Also if you think I'm a kool-aid drinker thats fine. I don't have any problem being called that name for sticking up for our coach after 3 non-conference games. I even said in my post if we lose the next few games by a large margin I would start worrying too

Art Vandelay

[uwm97]

Art, thanks for clarifying, I'm in agreement with you.

[xxx]

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