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Post by fan on Jan 4, 2005 0:01:44 GMT -6
Um I think option 1 is eerily true.
Post Game Thoughts: Joah Tucker should not start the next game. Period. I understand he's in some sort of funk and although he thinks he can shoot the three ball like jeff hornacek he doesn't have it. I know Ed was in a funk and other players have gotten in funks but this has affected the team. We win that game without that technical. I'm assuming it was out of frustration but this needs to stop.
Second Thought-Anyone know what kind of offense Bruce is running? There were approximately three instances where we had penetration until the final 2 minutes of the game. The only picks we set that are worth anything happen after Ed gets hot. I realize we don't have Dylan and our bigs aren't scorers or are in funks (ahem Joah) but at least get some Mid-Range shots. We look like a joke when we attempt 32 three pointers in a game.
Third thought-Great game by a balanced Detroit team. I only counted on Cotton being their player but they obviously have more talent than just him. They shot an unbelieveable percentage kinda like the Valpo game, but we should be good enough to come right back at them.
For me this loss is worse than the Wisconsin game. We didn't look like we even wanted to be there til it was too late and even then we just relied on Ed. I am dissappointed but have faith that one of the bigs takes over and gets 15 pts or so.
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Post by bball30 on Jan 4, 2005 3:30:40 GMT -6
I am sorry, but I have to disagree with section 240 on playing big D until he fouls out. He is weak with the ball, doesn't secure any rebounds (I saw guards take the ball away from him on two instances), he has absolutley NO touch around the basket, and seems lost within the offense, and the press. He isn't quick enough to get back on defense after the press, and needs more intensity. A guy of his size and demeanor should take no crap from anyone, be a physical force, and I think once he proves that, then he should be the main man. Until then, hang in there big d, it will come, and sorry for disagreein with you guys in sec. 240
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Post by pnthr97 on Jan 4, 2005 8:14:05 GMT -6
Incredibly frustrating game. Way too many things to address, so I'll limit my comments to three...
First, I disagree that Ford should get more PT. He just doesn't have it right now. Like another post said, he's way too soft, doesn't play well in the press, and is not a strong rebounder. At 6'10", if you can't do those things, what have you done to deserve playing time?
Second, Joah was, and I like Joah as a player, COMPLETELY PATHETIC last night. It's not wonder BP went with Pancratz for so many minutes. And, the absence of Sanders really showed last night. Cut into the depth. While Rob's no scoring threat, he's an intense player who makes plays. That's more than we could say about Joah last night. That T late in the game was completely inexcusable. While I don't think that's why we lost the game (how bout the first 10 minutes of the 2nd half), it was a definite momentum buster. Simply put, Joah needs to get his head out of his ass.
Third, I couldn't agree more that the offensive sets last night were horrendous. I understand that you've gotta get Ed the ball when he's in a zone like he was. But, at the same time, you need to get other guys involved. Ed's not going to, and didn't, stay hot all night. I think Joah only had 3 shots in the first half, and maybe 7 offensive touches. For your second leading scorer, that's just not enough. Who knows, if Joah's more involved in the offense in the first half, maybe it's a completely different story in the second half.
Overall, an incredibly poor performance. Aside from Ed, I really didn't feel that anyone cared until it was too late. That's probably what was most disappointing for me - the lack of intensity. I mean, UDM goes on a 13 point run to start the second half and no one seemed to care. That's horrible.
Sorry for the rant.
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Post by FLAMERimNOTone on Jan 4, 2005 8:47:33 GMT -6
i know that our team is better than we played last night. and big ups to Ed. he played the game of his life offensively and defensively. I would also like to complement the defense of Jason McCoy. As for the rest of the team last night I was always taught that If you cant say nothing nice, don't say anything at all. well i really hope that we bounce back from this game. Or else were gonna have a real long season of dissapointments. Major ups to Detroit they played better than we did last night Time for Bruce to give there is no I in team speech, and make everybody understand that we are a way better team when we have three guys in double digits. NOT JUST 1!
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Post by pnthr30 on Jan 4, 2005 8:59:37 GMT -6
There has been a few posts about Joah, but has anyone seen him? His "T" did not lose the game. While it is inexcusable, especially in front of your own bench, what Cotton did was a very savy, veteran move - he showed JT the ball, knowing his instincts would be to reach over and touch it.......just a smart play by Cotton and a dumb play by JT. (On a side note, I could have sworn that you got a warning on your first offense, or is that only if you step over the line and not touch the ball? But that is neither here nor there......that wasn't the game). When Hill fouled out, our chances went out the window. Davis is not a guy who can bring it up quickly, make a split second decision (a good one) and get the ball to someone who is in a position to score immediately, or go to the rack himself. I think he can be that kind of player, but at this stage, it just isn't his strong suite. I think Chris played a great game (11 points, 5 assists, 0 turnovers). He was on Cotton most of the game, and held him down......he only had 11 and had 3 free throws late. Davis, to his credit, did a good job on Cotton when he was on him as well. Ford - marginal at best last night, but let's be honest, who else is gonna play in his place? James did a heck of a job banging around on Coville, but Ford need to get some minutes, like it or not, due to lack of personnel. Free-throws? That hurt us big time, especially missing on the front end a number of times. There just didn't seem to be a sense of urgency until the final 7 minutes. Like BP said, the margin of error for this team is minimal. They need to play like it really matters for 38 - 40 minutes if they want to win against good teams. We turned them over A LOT (21 times), but we just couldn't convert. That was frustrating. Overall, I think UD played a pretty good game and executed what they wanted/needed to do to beat us. Hats off to them. We need to bounce back and make sure we are ready to play at Hinkle.
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Post by admin on Jan 4, 2005 9:28:27 GMT -6
Prairie View A&M 38 39 77 Alcorn St. 28 41 69 Final *I knew they would finally come through for us!
Detroit might be the team to beat in the conference. Which only underlines how crappy the league is this year. If Detroit would get the NCAA birth through the tourny, would they have to take the play-in game? They have a horrid resume (loss to Chicago State).
Our team is 1-2 deep off the bench at best (that might even be a stretch). Boo, Ford, Wright, McCoy, just dont cut it right now. All four are a liability. Tucker needs to step up for us to have a slight chance to go to the NCAA tourny. Last night had to be his worst game since his freshman year at Nicolet.
Butler is a must win game.
Later, UWMfreak
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Post by pnthr97 on Jan 4, 2005 10:16:01 GMT -6
I know everyone's been getting on Joah here, but no one can tell me it isn't deserved. I really can't think of one positive from his play last night, not one.
UWM Freak, regarding Detroit, I really think their early season record is deceptive. This is a COMPLETELY different team with Cotton in the lineup. He really is an incredible player. His ball fakes and jab steps had our guys' jocks laying on the court. Hats off to Chris, Ed and yes, even Boo, for playing outstanding D on him and not letting him go off like he had in his first 3 games. But, needless to say, he opened up shots for UDM's other outside threats, especially Goode and Thues. Without Cotton, we're able to key on those guys and get a hand in their face. With Cotton, that's not an option due to the respect Cotton demands.
And pnthr30, you're right about the warning being for stepping over the line. No such warning for hitting the ball out of the inbounder's hands. And yes, a savvy play by Cotton.
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Post by PantherLou on Jan 4, 2005 10:25:35 GMT -6
My thoughts:
1. What is with our complete schizophrenia at the free throw line? We shoot lights out against Manhattan and then just stink it up against Detroit? Wright's air ball was painful.
2. The officials suck, but they sure didn't lose the game for us. I wonder what exactly was said/done to garner the technical by Joah.
3. Speaking of Joah, he simply needs to become a leader on this team. Earlier this year, when we all knew Ed was struggling, he still was not a liability on the floor. He hustled, played great defense, and made an impact despite the fact that he was not shooting worth a damn. I have seen nothing of that sort from Joah Tucker. He looks frustrated and degected out there.
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Post by admin on Jan 4, 2005 10:32:10 GMT -6
I agree pnthr97. Their only bad loss since Cotton's arrival is Chicago State, which I have no idea what happened there.
-UWMfreak
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Post by pnthr30 on Jan 4, 2005 10:33:42 GMT -6
My thoughts: 1. What is with our complete schizophrenia at the free throw line? We shoot lights out against Manhattan and then just stink it up against Detroit? Wright's air ball was painful. 2. The officials suck, but they sure didn't lose the game for us. I wonder what exactly was said/done to garner the technical by Joah. 3. Speaking of Joah, he simply needs to become a leader on this team. Earlier this year, when we all knew Ed was struggling, he still was not a liability on the floor. He hustled, played great defense, and made an impact despite the fact that he was not shooting worth a damn. I have seen nothing of that sort from Joah Tucker. He looks frustrated and degected out there. 1. Free throw shooting was abismal, not question about that ! 2. The officials were a bit poor IMHO. They in no way cost us the game, but they did make some calls that were questionable, especially when we were trying to make our run. JT got a "T" for reaching over the out of bounds line and touching the ball when a UD player (Cotton) was trying to inbound - A BIG NO NO 3. I agree, JT did hurt us last night by not doing the other "little" things - obviously his lack of scoring hurts, but he did noting to make up for it with the rest of his play. He needs to get it going for us to be successful.
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Post by PantherLou on Jan 4, 2005 12:23:21 GMT -6
Thanks for the clarification on the Tucker technical. I couldn't see what happened from the other side of the court.
Definitely a foolish move, and it goes to further prove my point that Tucker is not a leader on this team at this point in time.
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Post by uwmfan on Jan 5, 2005 6:26:26 GMT -6
Two things...
Joah's technical was a "delay of game" T for touching the ball as was stated. There was no exchange that caused the T. Not sure about the warning or not.....
Second, James' free throw was NOT an airball. From where I sit it clearly deflected off the left side of the rim, and bruce saw it too. Unacceptable that the refs missed that one....if I recall our boys got the board; instead it becomes Detroit ball....
Ya gotta give credit to Perry Watson for coming in with a game plan that worked. They stifled our inside game and defended the perimeter very well. Many of Ed's looks were over two defenders and he still nailed 'em. Once again, weakness of our one man show exposed. JT's inconsistency continues to be a problem.
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Post by uwfenske aka hardhat on Jan 5, 2005 6:56:30 GMT -6
Ya gotta give credit to Perry Watson for coming in with a game plan that worked. They stifled our inside game and defended the perimeter very well. Very nice. Bruce admitted he got out coached that game. If I were scouting UWM as anyone else we play this year.... I am going to start watching the UDM game tape and learning that 3-2 zone they were running. Seemed to work well, even if Ed was hitting 3 bombs over two guys.
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Post by uwm6thman on Jan 5, 2005 10:18:31 GMT -6
That game was horrible until the last couple minutes when we started to make a run to get back in the game. I saw way too many mistakes and horrible shots. The offence is way too content with sitting around the three point land passing it around, until a couple seconds are left on the play clock and then firing away a bad 3 point shot.
Pancratz looked lost in the offence, multiple times I saw him running around confused with Joah on the bench pointing him in the right direction, or telling him that he should be setting a pick. I think he needs a bit more time in practice before he sees a lot of action.
Yes Joah made some mistakes in this game but he carried our team when Ed was in his slump so I'm going to stick behind him and say that he will come out of it. We stuck with Ed so we need to keep with JOah, IMO it would be horrible if he did not start. Who would start in his place Nick Hansen? What ever it is Joah will work through it and I hope we can get this team back to where it needs to be. If anything positive comes from this loss we learned early that we can't walk through our conference.
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