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Post by tyrunner0097 on Dec 19, 2022 12:52:43 GMT -6
How the fudge is Detroit above us??? YSU and PFW makes sense at least...
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SRT4driver
Junior
We Are MILWAUKEE! And I'm all about accountability, unlike '5th Placer' Jeter apologists.
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Post by SRT4driver on Dec 26, 2022 0:30:03 GMT -6
SOS. Detroit's is as much as 300 spots stronger than ours in some systems, such as this one, where #147 Milwaukee has played the 338th schedule thus far (thanks IUPUI & GB!), while #201 Detroit's SOS is 49th... www.arghratings.com/curcbb.txtMost systems, including the NET, weigh more heavily who you played, rather than how you did. Other systems are more results-biased, such as this one that has Milwaukee at 141 and Detroit at 229... www.allmysportsteamssuck.com/ncaa-college-basketball-rankings/I especially like that system because it starts every team level at the start of the season, with no historical performance biases, unlike most other systems. FWIW, due to the factors above, Milwaukee (197) & Detroit (198) are basically tied in the average of all rating/ranking systems out there: masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm
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Post by Cactus Panther on Dec 26, 2022 15:56:33 GMT -6
The ARGH ratings include #364 Wild Card U. I assume this factors non-D1 programs??? That would further explain Milwaukee's relatively low SOS in the ARGH.
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SRT4driver
Junior
We Are MILWAUKEE! And I'm all about accountability, unlike '5th Placer' Jeter apologists.
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Post by SRT4driver on Dec 27, 2022 11:46:28 GMT -6
I believe some systems factor in performance against non-DI's, while most don't. This one might not, but may simply be listing the record of all non-DI games played at the bottom, under "Wild Card U."
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Post by 73withharoldlee on Dec 27, 2022 11:55:19 GMT -6
We have to beat our peers and spring a few upsets along the way. I think we were ready for Rhode Island, too bad game was cancelled. The rating will rise! At least I hope they do!
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Post by ghostofpbj on Dec 27, 2022 17:19:56 GMT -6
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Post by FTA1982 on Dec 27, 2022 17:23:53 GMT -6
We're projected as the AQ since we are likely in 1st based on the 2-0 start.
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Post by commissioner on Dec 28, 2022 13:03:02 GMT -6
How the fudge is Detroit above us??? YSU and PFW makes sense at least... The Panthers have 5 wins over D1 teams. They're ranked in NET 156, 213, 229, 354, and 360. Only Green Bay (354) was away from home. Detroit has just 4, but they're ranked in NET 72, 120, 121, and 246. Two of those, including PFW (121) were on the road. So Detroit has 3 D1 wins that are considered better than any Panther win, and factoring in home/road factor only the win over Cal-Davis in Milwaukee is better than Detroit's 4th D1 win, over Tulsa on the road. That's the main reason. In losses, Panther losses are to #1, #31, #140, and #141, the first three on the road. Detroit's four "best" losses, collectively, are on par with the Panthers' losses: #13, #72, #93, #114, all on the road. Detroit does have 4 more losses, but one of those four is actually considered better (to #145 Bryant on a neutral court) than the Panther's worst loss (#141 St. Thomas at home). Losing to #176 Cleveland State on the road is also comparable to the loss to St. Thomas. Detroit's other losses are worse, but also on the road -- to #227 Boston College and (inexcusably) at #295 EMU. Also, 3 of Detroit's losses (#72, #227, and #295) were by 4 or fewer points. So basically Detroit has 3 better wins than any Panthers' win, and a 4th that is as good or better than all but one of Milwaukee's wins. Detroit then has six losses to competition that, on the whole, is comparable to the competition in the Panthers' four losses. And finally, Detroit has 2 bad losses that Milwaukee doesn't have. It probably makes sense that the two are very close in the NET rankings, with Detroit higher based on better wins.
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Post by PantherU on Dec 28, 2022 19:20:45 GMT -6
It probably makes sense that the two are very close in the NET rankings, with Detroit higher based on better wins. Who told you that you could come in here with your "facts" and "statistics" and "reality" and gum up the works?
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Post by nickpanther on Jan 3, 2023 20:35:10 GMT -6
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Post by PantherU on Jan 3, 2023 21:39:04 GMT -6
Right now you have 68 teams in the NCAA Tournament and 32 teams in the NIT. My proposal would be to kill the NIT, fold those 32 into the NCAA Tournament and add 28 teams to make it a round 128.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 4, 2023 11:17:05 GMT -6
Right now you have 68 teams in the NCAA Tournament and 32 teams in the NIT. My proposal would be to kill the NIT, fold those 32 into the NCAA Tournament and add 28 teams to make it a round 128. I'll bet that's the plan.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Jan 4, 2023 11:25:52 GMT -6
This will not go thru and I hope it doesn't. Ole Miss, Florida, St. John’s, Butler, Seton Hall, Clemson, Oregon, Colorado, UNLV, Iowa would comfortably make a 96-team field.
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Post by nickpanther on Jan 4, 2023 14:04:26 GMT -6
i could live with folding the NIT into the nCAA tourney and go to 100. have a 24 v 25 playin maybe, with byes for the higher seeds and the first round being 17v 24 / 25, 18 v 23, 19 v 22 and 20 v 21.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 4, 2023 14:42:53 GMT -6
i could live with folding the NIT into the nCAA tourney and go to 100. have a 24 v 25 playin maybe, with byes for the higher seeds and the first round being 17v 24 / 25, 18 v 23, 19 v 22 and 20 v 21. Another thought: fold the third-tier tournaments (CBI/CIT), expand the NCAA to 128 and keep the NIT at 32. That's it and that's all.
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