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Post by skrapheap on Nov 20, 2021 15:38:03 GMT -6
UW-Whitewater and Uw-LaCrosse both received bids to the NCAA D3 Football tournament. Both were in action today.
LaCrosse had to travel to Michigan to play Albion College. LaCrosse won comfortably, 58-23.
Whitewater had a home game with Greenville (Illinois) University. The Warhawks won 69-7. For me the fun stat is that Greenville dominated time of possession, 35:50 to 24:10, and lost by 62 points.
Both teams move on to the second round next Saturday. LaCrosse will host North Central College, a frequent visitor to the D3 tournament, as are the Eagles.
Whitewater will travel in the second round to Indiana to play DePauw.
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Post by nickpanther on Nov 21, 2021 15:35:14 GMT -6
D-3 does it right. I look forward to the day D-1 has a 24 or 32 team playoff. then EVERY game will matter. and winning your division punches your postseason ticket. Right now, if your name isnt Notre Dame, Alabama, or Ohio State, you're not getting in. ESPECIALLY if you are from a small conference.
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Post by skrapheap on Nov 21, 2021 15:49:15 GMT -6
D-3 does it right. I look forward to the day D-1 has a 24 or 32 team playoff. then EVERY game will matter. and winning your division punches your postseason ticket. Right now, if your name isnt Notre Dame, Alabama, or Ohio State, you're not getting in. ESPECIALLY if you are from a small conference. Well, this business of alternating between home and away games i do not like. And while it's true that a lot of D3 teams would never get in under the D1 criteria, it does seem to be the same half-dozen teams consistently getting beyond the first two rounds. WIAC football fans should rejoice that at least one team from the conference is part of that group. When was the last time Mount Union or the University of Mary Hardin Baylor was eliminated before the semi-finals? I wonder that the NCAA* isn't championing the D3 format considering the extra money to be made. *National Cash Acquisition Association
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Post by nickpanther on Nov 21, 2021 19:41:27 GMT -6
D-3 does it right. I look forward to the day D-1 has a 24 or 32 team playoff. then EVERY game will matter. and winning your division punches your postseason ticket. Right now, if your name isnt Notre Dame, Alabama, or Ohio State, you're not getting in. ESPECIALLY if you are from a small conference. Well, this business of alternating between home and away games i do not like. And while it's true that a lot of D3 teams would never get in under the D1 criteria, it does seem to be the same half-dozen teams consistently getting beyond the first two rounds. WIAC football fans should rejoice that at one team from the conference is part of that group. When was the last time Mount Union or the University of Mary Hardin Baylor was eliminated before the semi-finals? I wonder that the NCAA* isn't championing the D3 format considering the extra money to be made. *National Cash Acquisition Association a 32 team playoff would generate 10 billion dollars a year, minimum. between the TV rights, advertising and gambling, it would make March Madness look like a side hustle. but we do need to create a nickname to flow with the playoff. something to become a byword. How about December Delirium? D-3 had home games for the higher seed up until the championship game until a couple years ago. now the semis are also a neutral site. For D-1 I would have the first 2 rounds - the Round of 32 and the Round of 16- be home games. so for instance if Wisconsin is a top 8 team nationally, then they can look forward to two more games at Camp Randall, provided they get past the first round. The quarterfinals would be the 4 major bowls not named Orange or Rose- the Cotton, Fiesta, Peach and Sugar Bowls, those would serve as regional finals and quarterfinals, to be played in the middle of December, a hearkening back to the origins of the bowls. The Fiesta would be the West final, the Cotton the Midwest, the Sugar the South final and the Peach the East Final . the West and Midwest winner would meet in one Semifinal on New Years Day at the Rose bowl, while the South and East would play in Miami at the Orange, also onj new Years . This would be a further nod to history. the two winners would then meet for all the marbles. I would require that a team get to 9 wins to become playoff eligible, with the exception of winning your division. so if a team goes say 8-4 and wins their division they are seeded lower that a division winner that won 9 or more games . so lets say Boise State goes 7-5 and wins their Mountain West division. they would in all probability be an 8th seed and would have an unenviable task of going to the regional Top seed's stadium and try to pull a massive upset. Unlikely of course, but if it DID happen, the Internet would split into pieces.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Nov 22, 2021 10:25:36 GMT -6
FBS will go to 12. 32 will water everything down.
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Post by nickpanther on Nov 22, 2021 12:12:46 GMT -6
FBS will go to 12. 32 will water everything down. Not really. You need playoff access to everyone. We have 10 conferences, the vast majority of which are split into divisions. The lower levels of football went to 16 team playoffs within 5 years of establishing the playoffs. They expanded since then, to 24. (FCS), 28(D-2) and 32(D-3). By that measure D-1 is already several years and teams behind schedule. You need to have enough teams that it's not always the same teams in the playoffs, and you need enough teams so that the small schools have a path. Even going to 12 won't be enough, because the committee has already shown that it has no respect for the smaller schools , and won't change until forced to. Every level of football has a playoff committee, which determines which teams get at large spots to go along with the automatic qualifiers that win their division or conference . In D-1 , you can require a certain number of wins to become playoff eligible, as they already do for the bowls. You could require that a school be ranked in the top 30 to be eligible for for a at large spot, and structure it so the at large teams come out of that pot. In 2019, there were 33 teams that won 9 games, and every division winner, save for the two Mid-American division winners, won 9 games. The large conference division winners were all ranked, as were a number of the smaller conferences. You figure out who gets the at large spots , by comparing strength of schedule and conference, and use head to head, where available Basically, you have several weeks of " Bubble Watch " as Lunardi does for basketball starting in February. Basically, you have locks, should be in, work to do, and on the bubble. As teams get to 9 wins the standings start to fill with "p"s - for playoff eligible and"c"s for clinched division. At large teams get a " AL" next to their names. So for instance, Wisconsin could finish 9-3 and win the Big Ten West. In any playoff system of 16 or more, they would be in. They would have a chance in a 12 team format- they're currently 15th and would probably be in the 12 range if they win out. But they have no shot in the current format, even if they beat Michigan or Ohio State in the BIG title game. Which makes the game pointless. Winning it gets you nothing , nationally. All the title games, save maybe the SEC and PAC 12 , are meaningless this year, granted the small conference games are always meaningless nationally.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Nov 22, 2021 12:55:43 GMT -6
Oh dear. We don't need UCLA & Minnesota in a playoff. We already play too many games. I vote we go back to the polls!
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Post by nickpanther on Nov 22, 2021 13:14:07 GMT -6
Oh dear. We don't need UCLA & Minnesota in a playoff. We already play too many games. I vote we go back to the polls! the playoff genie is out of the bottle. theres no going back. The playoff will expand to 12, and wont stop there. we can have a large playoff, without cutting from the regular season. Everyone still plays 12 regular season games, with a steadily decreasing number of playoff teams, playing 13,14, etc, until the last 2 teams play their 17th and final game. To fit into the current time frame of finishing around Jan 10th, this will require the elimination of the conference title games(which are meaningless cash grabs anyway), playing each Saturday of December (except for the Saturday around Christmas) and moving the start of the season a bit earlier so that everyone finishes by the end of November. Which would you rather have- a meaningless title game in Indy that wont get you into the playoff even if you win? or a playoff game in front of 80000 rabid Badger fans, with the chance for another home game if you win? I dont think theres much of a question there. Sure we would have a ' gap' between teams that win enough to go to a bowl, but not enough to be playoff eligible the teams that win 7 or 8 games and done win their division. i dont see too many tears being shed for them. theres always someone left out.For the record, I don;t see any scenario where theres a 64 team playoff in football, 32 is the maximum.
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Post by Pantherholic on Nov 22, 2021 19:22:41 GMT -6
a 32 team playoff would generate 10 billion dollars a year, minimum. between the TV rights, advertising and gambling, it would make March Madness look like a side hustle. but we do need to create a nickname to flow with the playoff. something to become a byword. How about December Delirium? D-3 had home games for the higher seed up until the championship game until a couple years ago. now the semis are also a neutral site. For D-1 I would have the first 2 rounds - the Round of 32 and the Round of 16- be home games. so for instance if Wisconsin is a top 8 team nationally, then they can look forward to two more games at Camp Randall, provided they get past the first round. The quarterfinals would be the 4 major bowls not named Orange or Rose- the Cotton, Fiesta, Peach and Sugar Bowls, those would serve as regional finals and quarterfinals, to be played in the middle of December, a hearkening back to the origins of the bowls. The Fiesta would be the West final, the Cotton the Midwest, the Sugar the South final and the Peach the East Final . the West and Midwest winner would meet in one Semifinal on New Years Day at the Rose bowl, while the South and East would play in Miami at the Orange, also onj new Years . This would be a further nod to history. the two winners would then meet for all the marbles. I would require that a team get to 9 wins to become playoff eligible, with the exception of winning your division. so if a team goes say 8-4 and wins their division they are seeded lower that a division winner that won 9 or more games . so lets say Boise State goes 7-5 and wins their Mountain West division. they would in all probability be an 8th seed and would have an unenviable task of going to the regional Top seed's stadium and try to pull a massive upset. Unlikely of course, but if it DID happen, the Internet would split into pieces. The new NCAA constitution would allow the P5 conferences to break free from the rest of D1. If/when that happens, it's going to essentially be the European Super League of college football.
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Post by Pantherholic on Nov 22, 2021 19:24:26 GMT -6
As for D3, I'm always cheering for the Fightin' Leipolds as well as everyone who plays against Mount Union.
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Post by nickpanther on Nov 23, 2021 12:48:44 GMT -6
they already split d-1 back in the 70s. I see no reason to further split D-1. if you are FBS school, you deserve at least a theoretical path to the playoffs. I don;'t care if you're UAB, Air Force or New Mexico State. every school, from big or small, should go into the season knowing what they have to do to get to December. The guaranteed way? win your division. its good enough in literally every other college sport.In basketball, UWM knows how they get to the dance: win the conference tournament. in football, that certainty doesn;t exist. It needs to. And I'm tired of the same teams making it every year.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Nov 23, 2021 18:46:40 GMT -6
I'm tired as the same teams as well. 12 teams will help. I like the top 6 conference Champs making it. Aka, the plan they had this summer. To me and know others, it's important for other networks to get a piece of the pie.
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Post by skrapheap on Nov 26, 2021 19:52:58 GMT -6
The folks at d3football.com have predictions for the Second Round of the Division 3 Playoffs. There are a lot of repeat customers... Apparently I was wrong. Whitewater is hosting their second round game.
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Post by skrapheap on Nov 27, 2021 13:16:08 GMT -6
Your halftime score is 38-0, Whitewater in front.
And De Pauw has a reputation as being stronger in the first half than in the second.
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Post by nickpanther on Nov 27, 2021 14:48:41 GMT -6
Whitewater rolls 45-0 to advance t the quarterfinals. They'll play ether Wheaton or Central in the next round.
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