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Post by BBFran on Jul 28, 2015 17:04:13 GMT -6
Now that the Assembly has passed the Senate plan it looks like the BBC will be a reality. Terrible deal for the taxpayers but on balance a good thing for our program. If the new building spurs other development in the area that will help the Panther Arena too, and the Bucks' disinterest in accommodating the Admirals will put another good tenant in our building, which may positively affect concession services and general maintenance.
It remains to be seen what effect the reconstituted Wisconsin Center board will have. Unfortunately the politicians have (as usual) found a way to exert more control, which is rarely a good thing.
I personally can't see when I will attend an event in the new building other than an NCAA game, but at least they are building it in the right spot. Even now I marvel at the profound foolishness of the idea some were suggesting of building it on the arena/JS site. I know that behind the scenes there is some deep skepticism over whether the new building actually will generate ancillary development, but the one place downtown where such development, if it happens, is absolutely critical, is the PE corridor. So let's hold our noses at the sausage making and hope that this building beats the odds and actually turns out to be one of the vanishingly rare sports stadium projects that merits the hundreds of millions in public money we will spend on it.
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Post by GoPanthers33 on Jul 28, 2015 22:26:40 GMT -6
I would rather not argue the politics of the new arena on here as I have debated the issue to death in the past few months and almost every argument ends with both sides agreeing to disagree.
I would, however, like to discuss it's affect on the Panthers. I think it would be great to have the Admirals join us as a tenant in the Panther Arena. The more the arena gets used, the more it will be maintained and remain a great sports facility.
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Post by nickpanther on Oct 2, 2015 9:11:17 GMT -6
i think the Bucks are foolish not to consider the possibly of getting an NHL team in Milwaukee to be a tenant in the new arena, or failing that, keeping the Admirals. But the Bucks havent been known for making good decisions, its why they havent been to the NBA finals since 1974.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Oct 2, 2015 10:20:24 GMT -6
i think the Bucks are foolish not to consider the possibly of getting an NHL team in Milwaukee to be a tenant in the new arena, or failing that, keeping the Admirals. I couldn't disagree more. We don't have the people to support another team in Milwaukee. We have so-much already! If your the Bucks owners who is paying for more than half the cost of the building, why do you want another pro-team (NHL) to hurt your own attendance. Answer is easy, you don't! As for having the Admirals and hockey at the new downtown arena, that creates the threat of an NHL team coming to Milwaukee. The Admirals only pay $90,000 rent/year at the Bradley Center. It's not worth keeping them for the cost, because the Admirals won't be able to pay $350,000 per rent per year in the new building. The Admirals future will be bright at UWM Panther Arena. It will be an great partnership!  |
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Post by Pantherholic on Oct 7, 2015 5:23:39 GMT -6
i think the Bucks are foolish not to consider the possibly of getting an NHL team in Milwaukee to be a tenant in the new arena, or failing that, keeping the Admirals. But the Bucks havent been known for making good decisions, its why they havent been to the NBA finals since 1974. Considering there's no legit interest by people who can afford an NHL franchise, common sense would indicate there's no viable reason to plan for an NHL friendly arena. |
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Post by BBFran on Oct 8, 2015 16:26:54 GMT -6
If the Petits weren't going to underwrite an NHL franchise when they already had an arena for them, it literally will never happen in Milwaukee.
Bluntly, I don't think we will ever see another major league sport in Milwaukee. Both the NHL and MLS appear to have no interest, and understandably the Bucks' and Brewers' investors have no interest in sharing a small market with anyone else.
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Post by nickpanther on Oct 23, 2015 11:32:58 GMT -6
the difference between the Pettits and now is - back then there was no revenue sharing in the NHL, and there was no salary cap in the NHL. Both of those are huge in making sure a new team doesnt suck for more than a couple years and can hope to make a profit over time . when Ottawa entered the league- taking the slot Milwaukee was aiming for- they were absolutely putrid and run on a minimal budget. the NHL currently is in places it absolutely should not be- Arizona and Florida, and frankly Wisconsin is a good place to put an NHL team- Milwaukee is constantly one of the best viewing markets for hockey in the country- and Milwaukee is for better or worse the largest market in the state. an NHL team would not be a rival to the Bucks, since hockey and basketball appeal to completely different demographics, and having your arena filled for at least 40 more dates brings in more revenue. they would compliment each other, and the Bucks would benefit from a quickly strong hockey team, since after all they own the arena. more people in the seats, more money in the till, more exposure for the arena, more cross-promotion opportunities " did you like the game tonight? if so, come back tom at 7 and catch some hoops."
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Post by mkehoops on Oct 30, 2015 10:45:35 GMT -6
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Post by skrapheap on Oct 31, 2015 11:30:17 GMT -6
One criticism i have heard of the Bradley Center was that the building was built for hockey and that meant it wasn't as good a place to watch basketball as it might have been. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Oct 31, 2015 14:26:58 GMT -6
The Bradley Center really was built for hockey and it's not a good place to watch basketball. At least not as good as the Kohl Center or Panther Arena.
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Post by milwsport on Nov 5, 2015 0:30:25 GMT -6
That's correct. The Petits did get the green light to establish an NHL franchise here but the cost was beyond what they were willing to pay. If I remember correctly the Blackhawks wanted 50 million (or some other ridiculous figure) for infringing on their territory. Plus there was a hefty franchise fee the NHL was demanding.
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Post by nickpanther on Nov 13, 2015 14:33:38 GMT -6
the expansion free was 50M, and Milwaukee lies outside Chicagos territory- its beyond the 50 mile limit. thats a lot of money but its 10th of what the NHL was asking for Vegas or Quebec, which is insane- only a handful of NHL teams are even WORTH 500M.
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Post by ricestillfumbled on Nov 19, 2015 15:54:21 GMT -6
I'd like to share a fun little thought that popped in my head that I understand has a 99% chance of being impossible. I just learned today that the hlt no longer will be on campus sites but rather one 4-day neutral location. I'm not a fan of this decision but that's for a different conversation. Anyways, with ground breaking for the new arena coming in the next couple months the arena COULD be complete by March, 2018. With the Bucks already announcing they won't move until the 2018-2019 season, and the assumption that Marquette would follow suit, the 2018 hlt could be the inaugural event in the new arena. If the arena is not ready then I would still be okay with a UWMPA contingency plan. Make it happen athletic department! |
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Post by PantherU on Nov 20, 2015 13:12:57 GMT -6
I'd like to share a fun little thought that popped in my head that I understand has a 99% chance of being impossible. I just learned today that the hlt no longer will be on campus sites but rather one 4-day neutral location. I'm not a fan of this decision but that's for a different conversation. Anyways, with ground breaking for the new arena coming in the next couple months the arena COULD be complete by March, 2018. With the Bucks already announcing they won't move until the 2018-2019 season, and the assumption that Marquette would follow suit, the 2018 hlt could be the inaugural event in the new arena. If the arena is not ready then I would still be okay with a UWMPA contingency plan. Make it happen athletic department! We've gotta get you following things a little closelier.  |
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