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Post by jhart05 on Nov 27, 2014 7:19:29 GMT -6
Like I said before, I believe the city is pushing this site to the Bucks owners because it solves their empty Journal Sentinel building problem. Barrett and other city leaders really don't care about UWM and the other sports teams that play there. If it doesn't run on rails, it's not important to Barrett. Agreed. You know, if he's insistent on building his streetcar why isn't he pushing to put this palace on the route? Well wait, the choo-choo probably won't be able to run in the winter thru a few feet of snow, maybe that's it.
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Post by jhart05 on Nov 27, 2014 7:46:03 GMT -6
"They (UWM) could play there," Lasry said. What an A-Hole. You know what Lasry, you can go back to New York and Seattle can have the Bucks. I guess I assumed the Admirals would also be playing in this new arena. I didn't think I could be any more pissed about this than I already was, but, I stand corrected. I like hockey and the Admirals. So would Marquette even still get to play in this new Palace? "Hey, everyone move out of the way of the Bucks. Admirals, Panthers, Wave, maybe even Marquette, to hell with the rest of you."
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Post by 73withharoldlee on Nov 27, 2014 9:41:45 GMT -6
Maybe I am trying to generate something new to get this program off its butt. We look for enemies, Jeter, Barrett, the New Yorkers. Are they the real reason The University can't seem to get it together to provide top notch facilities for its athletic programs. Maybe it stems from the fact that the Alumni do not care. Maybe we vote for politicians who only care about their own ambitions.. If the status quo is what everyone wants, so be it. Some people think being a season ticket holder for five years somehow means that I haven't supported the program for many years. That is being shortsighted.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Nov 27, 2014 10:32:44 GMT -6
Have you seen The Arena this year?
Tell me how that is the status quo.
The place both gleams and screams UWM!
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Post by GB BB is Back! on Nov 27, 2014 10:49:20 GMT -6
I doubt a practice facility would have even the upgraded amenities that the Klotsche Center got in the upgrades. A 4,000 seat utilitarian practice court is little, if any, better than the 3,500 seat facility with video boards that we have on-campus. I really think this is the worst possible solution for us. They'd move the scoreboards/video boards over from Panther Arena. The new seats too. You'd have access to the amenities the palace would have, which would blow away anything the Panthers have ever seen. Or you could stay with the status quo, which is holding games in a big, old, forgotten, empty building. People will never show up again just to see a Jeter team. They'd come at least once to see the new palace.
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Post by GB BB is Back! on Nov 27, 2014 10:55:48 GMT -6
Listening to GBBBall remark on the Milwaukee Arena situation is like listening to Justin Bieber discuss nuclear physics. You think comments from the guy who was convinced the Panthers were going to be great this year will hurt my feelings? I have credibity, you have a history of being completely wrong. I'm right again about the arena situation. Your once again leading the Panthers in the wrong direction.
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Post by panther9193 on Nov 27, 2014 10:57:56 GMT -6
Maybe I am trying to generate something new to get this program off its butt. We look for enemies, Jeter, Barrett, the New Yorkers. Are they the real reason The University can't seem to get it together to provide top notch facilities for its athletic programs. Maybe it stems from the fact that the Alumni do not care. Maybe we vote for politicians who only care about their own ambitions.. If the status quo is what everyone wants, so be it. Some people think being a season ticket holder for five years somehow means that I haven't supported the program for many years. That is being shortsighted. While I don’t agree that staying in the arena is living in the past (it certainly makes us more competitive than playing in a professional team’s practice facility or in the Klotsche Center and is quite simply, the best place to watch a basketball game in the city), I will agree that, overall, the university and the athletic department have been rather stagnant when it comes to growing the program and the fan base. There have been bright spots such as moving back to the arena, securing the naming rights and proposing the construction of a new practice facility, but there still doesn’t seem to be an overall strategic plan, and if there is, it is not advertised very well. From a fan perspective, what is being done to grow the base? How many alumni do we have in the area and across the country? How many local businesses are there? Are you telling me none of them like sports and have no interest in coming to games? I highly doubt that, but there needs to be a plan to aggressively and creatively engage these people to build interest in the program. I understand that from a basketball standpoint, APR bans, poor non-conference schedule opponents, playing in a “high school” gym for a year and mediocre teams do not help the cause, however some of those realities will occur with any team from time to time. What is our current season ticket base? What is being done to increase that base? Does the department have season ticket sales targets they need to reach over the next year, next five years, next ten years? Are there plans in place to accomplish this? I’ve been a season ticket holder for almost 20 years and although the ticket office has been very accommodating to me, I have never been aggressively pursued for donations. Has the department looked to other universities (i.e. Butler, Creighton, Northern Iowa, Wichita State) to see how their athletic departments engage their fans and alumni? How do they increase their fan bases? How is the new Bucks organization doing it (i.e. free season tickets the following year if season ticket holders attend every game this year)? While I believe the arena is the best place in which to play and recruit players, I agree that the university and the athletic department need to do more a lot more to engage fans, alumni and the business community. Who is the cheerleader for this university? Unfortunately, it appears that some of the people on this board are bigger cheerleaders than anyone within the university. Part of the reason that no one in the community is listening to UWM and their concerns about tearing down the arena is that the community as a whole is disinterested. Regardless of what ends up happening as far as the arena situation, that needs to change. This post is not meant to rip on the university or the athletic department since each has done a number of good things over the past few years, but rather to offer constructive criticism and possible suggestions on how to improve more and move up the college athletic ladder (namely Men’s Basketball since it is the primary source of revenue) because I want to see them succeed.
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MILWAUKEE PROUD - PANTHER STRONG
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Post by Lutzow10 on Nov 27, 2014 23:33:05 GMT -6
Its fun not having to see what the troll posts anymore. I picture by his multiple posts he is attacking somebodies comment about him being a troll and is trying to make a point that he is not a troll and maybe a few passive attacks at UWM while bolstering about GB. Silly troll. Go back to your cave.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 20:55:51 GMT -6
It looks like we will be without a home. The chancellor needs to either negotiate for a new 5,000 - 6,000 seat arena (think Gentile, but with boxes) or move back to the Klotsche and D3. This dismal year with the impossibility of post season is really hurting our negotiating position. Attendance will only get smaller as the season progresses.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Nov 30, 2014 22:34:23 GMT -6
UWM, Marquette take different stances on Arena debate www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/marquette-university-uw-milwaukee-take-differing-stances-in-downtown-arena-debate-b99399932z1-284259221.htmlThanks, Fran. There are so many things to say here, one of which is that a midseason game against Concordia St. Paul has no bearing on these deliberations. It's all about the NBA, politics and avarice. Marquette doesn't need a new arena and neither should the Bucks after 26 years. Think about that: 26 years! That's a relatively new facility. Right down the road sits a church that has been around for over a century and a half. That's right: 150 years ... and tbere's no sign that the wrecking ball is beckoning. Once again, this is about far more than just men's basketball. It's about the advancement or regression of a university and its master plan for growth. Though in men's basketball terms, a 4,000-seat auxiliary facility is wholly inadequate. In fact, that pullout-bleacher church hall wouldn't accommodate our average attendance from less than a decade ago. And what if Giannis wants to get into the gym to take a few hundred shots? We're out on the street for the day. So let's do the only sensible thing and get behind the preservation of The Arena, our Arena, Milwaukee's Arena.
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Post by panther9193 on Dec 1, 2014 7:33:55 GMT -6
UWM, Marquette take different stances on Arena debate So let's do the only sensible thing and get behind the preservation of The Arena, our Arena, Milwaukee's Arena. Absolutely right!
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Post by BBFran on Dec 1, 2014 10:49:19 GMT -6
Remarkably enough, the JS has once again printed an article about this topic that does not include the legend "Note to our readers: The Journal-Sentinel has a direct financial interest in seeing the Arena destroyed."
I believe Don Walker is trying to be fair. But at this point he's Jedediah Leland trying to write objectively about Susan Alexander's singing.
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Post by BBFran on Dec 1, 2014 12:32:00 GMT -6
To amplify dr's point, the suggestion being bandied about that "maybe" the Milwaukee team could play some of their games in a 3-4,000 seat Bucks practice facility is not just ridiculous but insulting. We averaged ticket sales over 5,000 a game not long ago. If you want to argue that we can never raise our attendance to that level or beyond again, then tell me why the Bucks are talking about a big new facility. Their actual average attendance would have comfortably fit in the Cell the last few years. Attendance varies with team success. You don't determine the size of the facility you need based on the lowest average attendance you experience. Look around the entirety of college and pro basketball -- there are extremely few teams in any year that sell out or even come close to selling out their arenas on a frequent basis.
It's time to be honest here. If the Arena is destroyed and the program gets pushed back to the Klotsche, or worse to some hybrid schedule in multiple inadequate facilities, the handwriting is on the wall. If you don't understand how important it is to save the Arena, then I don't think you truly understand the consequences.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 1, 2014 15:17:09 GMT -6
Thank you, Fran. Can we please dispense with the misguided notion of the possibility of playing in a practice gym?
Think about it. Some of you are considering playing some of our games in the little room down the hall off the side entrance with the practice nets above the baskets at 9 p.m. on Wednesdays and 10 a.m. on Sundays.
And this isn't just some random message board ruminating. This is what people at the higher levels of the program believe will be the case.
Our current facility -- an historic, renovated and fully functional building -- has the name of our university on its side right now.
Let's all step back and really think about this.
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Post by nickpanther on Dec 5, 2014 23:34:16 GMT -6
the Bucks should back off and build elsewhere. the arena is fine for the Panthers and Wave. lets them build their 500M palace elsewhere.
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