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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 13, 2015 22:10:12 GMT -6
I firmly believe UIC's problem is administrative. I don't think Moore is a bad coach. They were a terribly disorganized bunch. The administration doesn't coach the team. Their problems were on the court. Moore had no business even being considered for that job. They did the Badgers a huge favor though. Moore was a trainwreck recruiter for the Badgers. I get why your talking him up now though. He'll be a Panther assistant soon. Under Bo Ryan?
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Mar 14, 2015 11:21:17 GMT -6
They were a terribly disorganized bunch. The administration doesn't coach the team. Their problems were on the court. Moore had no business even being considered for that job. They did the Badgers a huge favor though. Moore was a trainwreck recruiter for the Badgers. I get why your talking him up now though. He'll be a Panther assistant soon. Are we adding a fourth assistant? Sharif Chambliss hasn't led me to believe he's going anywhere, and Duffy Conroy and Chad Boudreau have raised families here. How long have your assistants been there? GB did do a good job of keeping their staff together despite the pay. All 3 assistants started with Brian in 2010.
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Mar 14, 2015 11:26:58 GMT -6
UIC won't bother trying to compete with DePaul for Wardle, and Wardle wouldn't have the slightest interest in UIC. I've heard Wardle wants DePaul something fierce. Will they go for him? I mean, Purnell was head coach of a good Clemson program, so they may go for another high major. You may not consider UIC a good job, but they'd be able to double Wardle's salary and he's a Chicago guy. Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards If I were Wardle I would want the DePaul job too. No external pressure to win for the next three years while rebuilding, get to move home and go from making 250k per year to 1.5m per year. If he left for that I wouldn't be mad, I would do the same thing. I like what Wardle does but DePaul should be able to do better.
I would also leave for 700k and a 3.8 million dollar basketball budget at Bradley if I were him.
I would not leave for UIC if I were him. They paid Moore 350k, GB paid 250k. His wife doesn't work and he has 3 kids. Moving from GB to Chicago for 100k isn't getting the job done. He has a program in GB that is way further ahead of UIC and much more likely to land him a big pay day sooner in my opinion than having a lower standard of living (financially only) and rebuilding from ground zero by going to UIC.
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Mar 14, 2015 11:31:41 GMT -6
I firmly believe UIC's problem is administrative. I don't think Moore is a bad coach. I think Moore brought in too many guys like Jay Harris, Josh Crittle and Kelsey Barlow. All of those guys were one year guys that didn't allow him to develop young talent for the long term. I don't feel like Moore was trying to win big, he was just trying to stay above water. Now if you told me Jim Schmidt forced him to bring in tons of JUCO guys and 5th year guys to try and win now then I would agree it was administrative. If that was Moore doing that on his own then that makes me lean towards him being a bad overall coach.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 14, 2015 23:03:37 GMT -6
I firmly believe UIC's problem is administrative. I don't think Moore is a bad coach. I think Moore brought in too many guys like Jay Harris, Josh Crittle and Kelsey Barlow. All of those guys were one year guys that didn't allow him to develop young talent for the long term. I don't feel like Moore was trying to win big, he was just trying to stay above water. Now if you told me Jim Schmidt forced him to bring in tons of JUCO guys and 5th year guys to try and win now then I would agree it was administrative. If that was Moore doing that on his own then that makes me lean towards him being a bad overall coach. Outstanding post. You really have to pick your spots with retreads.
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Mar 16, 2015 23:18:45 GMT -6
I've heard Wardle wants DePaul something fierce. Will they go for him? I mean, Purnell was head coach of a good Clemson program, so they may go for another high major. You may not consider UIC a good job, but they'd be able to double Wardle's salary and he's a Chicago guy. Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards If I were Wardle I would want the DePaul job too. No external pressure to win for the next three years while rebuilding, get to move home and go from making 250k per year to 1.5m per year. If he left for that I wouldn't be mad, I would do the same thing. I like what Wardle does but DePaul should be able to do better.
I would also leave for 700k and a 3.8 million dollar basketball budget at Bradley if I were him.
I would not leave for UIC if I were him. They paid Moore 350k, GB paid 250k. His wife doesn't work and he has 3 kids. Moving from GB to Chicago for 100k isn't getting the job done. He has a program in GB that is way further ahead of UIC and much more likely to land him a big pay day sooner in my opinion than having a lower standard of living (financially only) and rebuilding from ground zero by going to UIC.
I totally get what you are saying, however were he to quickly build UIC from ground zero, his attractiveness to a high-major program would be that much higher because it would be an impressive feat. DePaul is college basketball purgatory, at least until they get that new place downtown. Going there would be akin to Tramon Williams going to the Cleveland Browns: Just a nice paycheck for a few years. You could make the argument that making DePaul relevant would be more impressive than rebuilding UIC though. I dunno, maybe he won't go anywhere.
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Post by Hack on Mar 17, 2015 14:34:51 GMT -6
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Post by kingsteve on Mar 17, 2015 15:41:55 GMT -6
Backracking a bit....I can not imagine why De P would want to hire Wardle?? They need to aim higher and i think they know that. Can not believe De Paul would be at all interested in a guy who under-achieved at GB plus some of the other stuff won't go into.
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Post by pantherwalleye on Mar 17, 2015 16:36:24 GMT -6
I don't understand why Jeter doesn't call him out on his obvious mistakes/unpreparedness....I mean I understand coverage is better than no coverage at all but cripes
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Post by pantherwalleye on Mar 17, 2015 16:37:53 GMT -6
and for the record I'm working on changing my tag image, this was default and have no idea what it means..... if its bad don't answer that
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Post by PantherU on Mar 17, 2015 16:38:07 GMT -6
Backracking a bit....I can not imagine why De P would want to hire Wardle?? They need to aim higher and i think they know that. Can not believe De Paul would be at all interested in a guy who under-achieved at GB plus some of the other stuff won't go into. - He recruits Chicago well. - He has outdone his two predecessors - He has done so at a program with extremely limited resources - He'd be significantly cheaper than other coaches - He's a great ambassador in the GB community - Is a "Chicago guy" - Is a "Marquette guy" (program DePaul tries to emulate) He weathered the Bruss/Cougill scandal. I think he's an excellent candidate. Plus, DePaul may not have gotten the shot if GB had gone to the tournament, as mid-level high-majors would have begun sniffing.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 17, 2015 22:12:55 GMT -6
Backracking a bit....I can not imagine why De P would want to hire Wardle?? They need to aim higher and i think they know that. Can not believe De Paul would be at all interested in a guy who under-achieved at GB plus some of the other stuff won't go into. - He recruits Chicago well. - He has outdone his two predecessors - He has done so at a program with extremely limited resources - He'd be significantly cheaper than other coaches - He's a great ambassador in the GB community - Is a "Chicago guy" - Is a "Marquette guy" (program DePaul tries to emulate) He weathered the Bruss/Cougill scandal. I think he's an excellent candidate. Plus, DePaul may not have gotten the shot if GB had gone to the tournament, as mid-level high-majors would have begun sniffing. I'd hire him just to have the pleasure of firing him. -- signed Big Stein
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Post by kingsteve on Mar 18, 2015 8:04:41 GMT -6
Jimmy, actually do not disagree with anything you state above. Not saying he is not capable but I think at this juncture in the Chicago market they have to make a big name splash even if Wardle in actuality might be well qualified and even more qualfied for the above reasons. That thing is stuck in the mud and they have to get a big buzz going with the potential new arena and a coach with a high profile name , just my opinion not so much a stab at Wardle per se...De Paul needs publicity, charisma, salesmanship etc...not sure Wardle fits that bill for the Chicago market.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 18, 2015 8:20:49 GMT -6
Jimmy, actually do not disagree with anything you state above. Not saying he is not capable but I think at this juncture in the Chicago market they have to make a big name splash even if Wardle in actuality might be well qualified and even more qualfied for the above reasons. That thing is stuck in the mud and they have to get a big buzz going with the potential new arena and a coach with a high profile name , just my opinion not so much a stab at Wardle per se...De Paul needs publicity, charisma, salesmanship etc...not sure Wardle fits that bill for the Chicago market. The big name hire was the last one (Purnell). Didn't work. They need to win. They need a Chicago guy to recruit Chicago guys to win. Wardle could be that guy.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 18, 2015 13:24:18 GMT -6
I guess that I'm not on the same train at all.
Wardle's March record would concern me ... a lot.
His record's probably good enough to get the interview but not good enough to get the job.
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