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Post by striker14 on Feb 9, 2015 18:34:08 GMT -6
I think the BE has a chance to compete with the F5, but it depends on what the football schools do. If the football schools engage in an arms race with each other they will, for the most part, have to dedicate the vast majority of their resources to football. That leaves some room for schools like those in the BE, A10, MVC, and WCC. The difference between the BE and those other conferences is the tv contract, which pays the schools somewhere around $4 million/year. Most of their games are also on tv. The historic prestige of the BE schools also give them a distinct advantage over the other conferences. If the BE can continue to secure such contracts once the current one is up, then I think they can compete with the F5. If they don't then I think they could become a slightly better version of the A10. Personal opinion, but I believe they will be able to compete going forward. It doesn't really matter to us either way. There was already a massive separation between schools like us and the F5/BE before the stipends thing.
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Post by PantherU on Feb 9, 2015 19:15:45 GMT -6
You fail to mention the tv money which will match the cost of attendance the F5 wants. Big key there, but I guess the Bilas's, Brando's, etc. don't understand. Everything else will come to recruiting and wins and loses, which it's why it's a waste of time labeling stuff as some label to fit there needs. The Big East's television deal sure is a good sign for basketball conferences. But what happens when football conferences like the Sun Belt, MAC and MWC get new TV deals that far outstrip them? And those are just the mid-major leagues. Basketball schools in major football conferences - Kentucky, Kansas, etc. - will get even more cash to stuff down their basketball programs and their football teams will be the ignored ones at those schools. Which is fine. The SEC and Big 12 won't mind if Kentucky and Kansas don't care about their football programs as long as the basketball programs keep winning. Of course, this is at an elite level. The hope in Westown, I'm sure, is that they hope MU can keep up. I just don't know if the next Big East contract is going to keep up with the next Big 12 contract. Right now they're fine. Down the road...? IMO, they just need to stay near the top of the pecking order for 20 years. In the 2030's, I think there's going to be an extremely sharp decline in football's popularity. If they can stick around until then, they will own the world for two to three decades as football starts getting cut from dozens of schools or is at least restructured to make basketball the money sport (and perhaps soccer, although my guess is at the collegiate level soccer will be second fiddle to second-tier clubs in the USL Pro and NASL). I think the BE has a chance to compete with the F5, but it depends on what the football schools do. If the football schools engage in an arms race with each other they will, for the most part, have to dedicate the vast majority of their resources to football. The arms race is here and it's to stay. Like I said though, not all schools in "Football 5" conferences are going to dedicate that money just to football. Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA, UNC, Duke. These are just a few of many schools that will eschew the chance to maybe compete in football for the much cheaper chance to be big in basketball. That leaves some room for schools like those in the BE, A10, MVC, and WCC. The difference between the BE and those other conferences is the tv contract, which pays the schools somewhere around $4 million/year. Most of their games are also on tv. The historic prestige of the BE schools also give them a distinct advantage over the other conferences. If the BE can continue to secure such contracts once the current one is up, then I think they can compete with the F5. If they don't then I think they could become a slightly better version of the A10. Personal opinion, but I believe they will be able to compete going forward. It doesn't really matter to us either way. There was already a massive separation between schools like us and the F5/BE before the stipends thing. You're looking ahead, which is smart. Maybe my ideas are more distant, but we've got to look past the current deal. $4 million a year for the Big East is nice. Will $4 million per year mean the same in a decade? Will they be able to get the contract that means in 2025 what $4 million means right now? In my estimation, they'll be fine. They have 10 years left to get it right, and if Wojo is the man to lead the charge, he'll have them running full bore long before then. They just got to make sure that once they have the right coach, they hold onto him. That's MU's problem, just as it is ours. The difference is scale.
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Post by striker14 on Feb 9, 2015 19:40:04 GMT -6
I think we are on the same page, or at least reading from the same chapter. I agree that football is likely going to decline steeply due to the concussion problems, parents are more concerned with their kids' health now than they have ever been. Fewer players at younger ages=less knowledgeable and fewer die-hard fans later on. Where we disagree is on the also-ran football schools. Nobody pays much for a poor product. Look at the AAC. Their contract with ESPN is for just over $2 million/school. Other than the MWC they have the best football product outside the F5. The Dukes/Kentuckys of the world are already powerhouses. Nobody is breaking into that clubhouse.
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Post by gman2 on Feb 9, 2015 22:34:36 GMT -6
I think at some point football will become a different animal from the Olympic sports for the F5 conferences. I can envision a scenario in which the top tier football schools from each conference form some sort of football alliance in which they play each other on more regular basis. Would fans rather see UW play Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue, etc, or would fans rather see those teams substituted with games against LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Oregon, Stanford, etc on a more regular basis. I know the traditionalist will say that will never happen, as Big Ten schools want to continue the traditions that have existed over the years. But ESPN dictates things and the main thing is money. Tradition is fine, but money speaks louder than traditional.
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Post by BBFran on Feb 10, 2015 14:06:41 GMT -6
The TV networks will fight as hard as they can to prop up college football, but I agree with Jimmy that there will come a point where it can't last. College boxing was a very big deal in the 40s.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 10, 2015 16:37:26 GMT -6
The TV networks will fight as hard as they can to prop up college football, but I agree with Jimmy that there will come a point where it can't last. College boxing was a very big deal in the 40s. Yes. And Wisconsin used to compete in front of sellouts at the old Fieldhouse. My uncle boxed before Grandma made him stop.
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Post by gman2 on Feb 10, 2015 21:12:51 GMT -6
The TV networks will fight as hard as they can to prop up college football, but I agree with Jimmy that there will come a point where it can't last. College boxing was a very big deal in the 40s. Are they going to fight hard to prop up Illinois vs UW? Indiana vs UW? LSU vs UW? UW us Bama? ESPN's bottom line is money, they don't care about conference affiliation or tradition. I can't see ESPN allowing consistent bottom feeders to exist in a long term big money football landscape.
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Post by pantherwalleye on Mar 11, 2015 17:43:02 GMT -6
I like to think of MU as Milwaukee Marquette this March. Great first half.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 11, 2015 17:48:06 GMT -6
This is some bad basketball. Bill Raftery is rolling over in his grave ... and he's doing the broadcast!
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Post by pantherwalleye on Mar 11, 2015 18:01:09 GMT -6
Agree to some extent, and the grave comment is funny....but I'm interested in competition right now and I'm getting my fix
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 12, 2015 14:46:49 GMT -6
I like to think of MU as Milwaukee Marquette this March. So what's your Plan C?
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Post by PantherU on Mar 12, 2015 15:13:49 GMT -6
Maybe he means Milwaukee Marquette High School. I mean, that's what I thought he meant at first.
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Post by pantherwalleye on Mar 12, 2015 17:16:10 GMT -6
I would have to say this is the best Badger team Bo's ever had so my expectations are they better do something better than last year.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 12, 2015 17:23:53 GMT -6
Haven't they already? I mean, they are 28-3.
Be careful about pinning all your expectations on a tournament run. After all, postseason play is such a crapshoot.
Who will or won't be available? Where is the game held? And on and on and on ...
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Post by pantherwalleye on Mar 12, 2015 17:35:39 GMT -6
Isn't that what the Tournament is all about?
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