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Post by BBFran on Sept 14, 2010 14:20:48 GMT -6
The NCAA doesn't really look anywhere. Except in rare cases these investigations are started by self-reporting.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Sept 16, 2010 20:01:26 GMT -6
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Post by ghostofdylan on Sept 17, 2010 6:51:59 GMT -6
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Post by ghostofdylan on Sept 21, 2010 6:25:34 GMT -6
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Sept 21, 2010 6:45:44 GMT -6
Do you think the NCAA will come down on the Vols?
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Post by panthersteve on Sept 21, 2010 8:13:16 GMT -6
Almost Shakesperian, tragic flaw... here is a great coach and recruiter who DOES NOT NEED to do this. He is plenty good without this . Very poor judgement. Then the main thing, do not lie to the NCAA, like lying to the Feds....Again, Bruce and hist staff are very talented. They do not need to do this as they are very competent. So why push the envelope like this? They certainly know better but there is a real flaw somewhere there which is so unnecessary. I am saddened by this because bottomline I still think they are a good group of coaches. They lying really bothers me most though. Agree with previous posts that this is something I could not imagine our current staff doing. Can not totally say that about Bruce because you could almost sense that bit of living on the edge and pushing the envelope.over zealous, etc.
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Post by BBFran on Sept 21, 2010 9:49:34 GMT -6
Absolutely no excuse but imagine you are getting paid millions to produce and your chief competitor hires a guy who is not only an excellent coach but clearly has the morals of a gutter rat -- and yet both his administration and the national media fawn over the guy. He's coated in teflon. That's why corruption at any school is so harmful to every school -- because every coach has to wonder if he's going to slip behind if he doesn't behave the same way as the pirates. And at the high D1 levels, with so much money riding on it, the schools themselves feel it -- and some bend under the pressure. When basketball is not only the bell cow for your athletics program, but even the chief component of your college's entire identity, it becomes very seductive to just "go with the flow."
Inevitably, ethical standards are relaxed and behavior gets altered across the board. We are witnessing this up close and personal at schools many of us are very familiar with.
For a guy like Bruce who, as you said, is kind of out there on the edge to begin with, this sort of misbehavior becomes almost predictable given the circumstances.
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Post by panthersteve on Sept 21, 2010 10:41:58 GMT -6
well said Fran
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Post by skrapheap on Sept 21, 2010 14:31:08 GMT -6
...When basketball is not only the bell cow for your athletics program, but even the chief component of your college's entire identity, it becomes very seductive to just "go with the flow." i'm not disputing your overall analysis, Fran...but basketball is not the bell cow for Tennessee athletics. It was frequently said that Pearl was hired to elevate the men's basketball program to the status of football, or at least to the status of UT women's basketball. i think the bell-cow status argument applies more to Kentucky, as their men's basketball programs have had much more consistent success than their football program has. And UK hired Calipari...
That quibble aside, it almost always amazes me (though it shouldn't, after so many repetitions) how often persons and programs that are fully able to win on the basis of talent are willing to bend or break the rules in search of any possible advantage. Is being so focused on winning that you'll win by any and all means perceived to be an essential part of "greatness," then?
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Post by ghostofdylan on Sept 21, 2010 15:19:25 GMT -6
Skrap:
Could Tennessee win with Kentucky on the basis of talent? Remember that Calipari has now delivered by hook or by crook the nation's best recruiting class for the second straight year. Keep in mind that he's only been with the UK program through two recruiting cycles.
With three Sweet 16s and an Elite Eight appearance in tow, translating to unpredecented success, that's now the goal in Knoxville -- not just to win, but to "out-win" Kentucky.
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Post by BBFran on Sept 21, 2010 19:21:18 GMT -6
I wasn't referring to Tennessee.
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Post by Hack on Oct 22, 2010 14:00:11 GMT -6
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Post by Super King on Oct 22, 2010 16:26:38 GMT -6
Tennessee is making a gigantic mistake, and it's probably Lane Kiffin's fault. Without the major NCAA investigation hovering over their football program, they swallow this, don't make a big deal out of it, and probably go unpunished like UWM did. But because of their newfound paranoia, they jumped the gun and may have killed their basketball program for years to come. I have a feeling not many Tennessee fans will appreciate this decision.
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Post by gman2 on Oct 23, 2010 8:55:22 GMT -6
Do you think the NCAA will come down on the Vols? After reading a variety of articles on this, I think the NCAA has an opportunity to come down not on the university, but on the coach. This is an example of the coach, not necessarily the university or Men's basketball program in general, committing the violation. Even if the NCAA decides the self imposed sanctions are enough, they seriously should consider sanctions on Pearl post Tennessee.
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Post by motowntitan on Oct 24, 2010 6:52:47 GMT -6
That quibble aside, it almost always amazes me (though it shouldn't, after so many repetitions) how often persons and programs that are fully able to win on the basis of talent are willing to bend or break the rules in search of any possible advantage. Is being so focused on winning that you'll win by any and all means perceived to be an essential part of "greatness," then? [/color] [/quote] 1. I believe the NCAA's contention is that he wouldn't have the talent if he wasn't able to sign them. He was able to sign them because he is spending more time with them than other coaches do (i.e Violations). 2. This is the SEC after all, it's not like academics mean anything for their athletes.
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