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Post by UWMBaller on Mar 30, 2005 12:29:09 GMT -6
UWM should hire Diener as an assistant since he would be great at recruiting from the area, and knows what the players skills are on and off the court....
my 2 cents...
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Post by Kroener3535 on Mar 30, 2005 12:36:50 GMT -6
which one Tom or Dick?
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Post by mikeb on Mar 30, 2005 12:40:15 GMT -6
if im a high schooler it doesnt make a difference who shows up at my house as long as its a diener from a team that went to the sweet 16. ill second the diener move. that would be amazing for in state recruiting |
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Post by dunzz on Mar 30, 2005 12:50:19 GMT -6
i do see the advantage in recruiting. but you gotta remeber the majority of the good high school players are looking forward to entering the big ten and then some.
i do not think picking a high school coach based on the fact that they can recruit to familar faces is worth picking up an unproven college coach. If you were to ask most high school kids they will want to play for WI. not that we cant recruit those hs kids over WI, but the fact remains, were loooking for someone who is proven at the college level.
now i wil make the counter to this.
UWM is going to be in trouble come two years. with 7 sr's coming through this season we are going to have a recruiting nightmare trying to fill those positions. but remeber junco transferes have been our god send. and i would suspect that our best chance would be to pick up JUNCo transfers this season so they would be ready to play in two yeras.
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Post by UWMBaller on Mar 30, 2005 12:57:52 GMT -6
a Majority of Tom Diener's players go to a prep school or JUCO due to grades... I think he would know how to deal with JUCO players or any player in the matter of recruiting...
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Post by pnthr30 on Mar 30, 2005 14:49:56 GMT -6
You are not gonna see Tom or Dick on the UWM bench anytime soon.......and it doesn't have to do with their X's and O's ability. Simply put, they are definitely not going to be hired as a head coach given they have no college experience coaching, and even if the "new" head coach want to bring them aboard, it is highly unlikely that they would be the associate head coach.......as such, they would likely fall into the 3rd or 4th assistant position, something that is not going to be to appealing to them. Both guys are well respected coaches, and like every successful coach, both likely have egos (not in a bad way).........is someone that is a highly successful, established, well-respected, high school coach who is in a comfort zone going to want to be the 3rd or 4th (at best) in the pecking order - not to mention, possibly take a pay cut? I doubt it.........but that is just me.
A more likely possibility is someone like say..........Marc Mitchell (for instance).
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Womack
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Second best is the first loser
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Post by Womack on Mar 31, 2005 15:18:38 GMT -6
i do see the advantage in recruiting. but you gotta remeber the majority of the good high school players are looking forward to entering the big ten and then some. i do not think picking a high school coach based on the fact that they can recruit to familar faces is worth picking up an unproven college coach. If you were to ask most high school kids they will want to play for WI. not that we cant recruit those hs kids over WI, but the fact remains, were loooking for someone who is proven at the college level. now i wil make the counter to this. UWM is going to be in trouble come two years. with 7 sr's coming through this season we are going to have a recruiting nightmare trying to fill those positions. but remeber junco transferes have been our god send. and i would suspect that our best chance would be to pick up JUNCo transfers this season so they would be ready to play in two yeras. For all of you younger fans woh have jumped on over the success of the last few years thats what they said about us a few years back.... We graduated 8 seniors including Clay Tucker, Ronnie Jones, etc....... Eveyrone said we would be terrible, but take a look at what we have done since...We replace who leaves... |
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Post by PantherLou on Mar 31, 2005 15:51:17 GMT -6
For all of you younger fans woh have jumped on over the success of the last few years thats what they said about us a few years back.... dunzz doesn't fit into that category. And new fans are just that: New. They're not stupid. Let's welcome all new and old fans alike. You're pretty young yourself Womack, at least compared to a lot of us. Especially dylanrocks.  |
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Post by dunzz on Mar 31, 2005 16:09:50 GMT -6
dunzz doesn't fit into that category. And new fans are just that: New. They're not stupid. Let's welcome all new and old fans alike. You're pretty young yourself Womack, at least compared to a lot of us. Especially dylanrocks. thats right. you mess with me you mess with panther lou and he likes pirates! Woval or womacky i saw your post and i almost busted a nut. but i do believe your post deserves a responce. new fan. me.... grrr man. i dont wanna get into a competition on who is the better fan or who deserves to be called a new fan but i will let you know where im coming from. i came to this university clay tuckers sr season. ive been hooked ever since. i was at the panther games this fall when we played south d whoever and i didnt hear anyone calling out your name. i was at all the exhibition games. and to digress, stop calling people out for being a band wagon fan. that sh*t might work in the stands when you are being pushed but on this board you respect every newbie out there. you might not know this. but its the warm weather fans that really help pump this program, even though they are only there for camera games and great wins thats what will help build our numbers. for example, most people dont watch the entire basball season, yet everyone watches yankees v red sox in the play offs. i hate basball yet i claim to be a yankees fan each year. and thats good for them. same thing in the super bowl, it gets hella attention and hella money due to fare weather fans watching and going to the game. there is power in numbers. even if they are there only for 15 min, thats better than nothing. bc its the fare weather fans who bring their friends, its those fans who put butts in all the seats. respect We graduated 8 seniors including Clay Tucker, Ronnie Jones, etc....... you are correct. but remeber last year when kolumba and chris hill looked very imature with the ball last year. chris hill used to make me so nervous when he played. now chris is more mature. the same type of trouble ive been talking about. inexperience. not that they cant get the job done it will just look very sloppy. your counter to this would be, A Hanson is getting valuable time on the floor now to correct the mistakes of the future. but that doesnt apply entirly, A Hanson has lots to learn with his ball control not to mention the rest of the scout team. Most media out lets worried about dylan page leaving. before that they worried that clay tucker was leaving. each year losing one player is very important according to most people. but i feel losing a 5 starters and 2 key reserve people is even more tremedous. heres the light at the end of the tunnel though. we will be deeper than last year. and if that depth continues where alot of players get to come on the court we will have less worries. but remeber this. losing 7 guys is no hefty task. i understand we did it before. but right now with no coach, and true recuirting roots in the mid west its hard to pick up alot of "franchise" players in one years span. Eveyrone said we would be terrible, but take a look at what we have done since...We replace who leaves... yes we did good with these players. but that only goes as far to explain these players. it doesnt account for bendale, wimmer, homan, hanson, hansen. not to take away from those guys. but you gotta compare that class to d ford, mccoy, tigert, wright, mccants, joah tucker, and in my mind right now i would rather have those guys come on rather than homan and crew. not that i think they are bad players, i would just rather have those <a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=big%20men" onmouseover="window.status='big men'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">big men</a>. every year when a team loses key players there is worry if the next class can carry the torch. our torch has gotten bigger since "your days" (emphsis my rolling eyes) and brings much more expectations. in two years we are going to need a better recruiting class to keep up with the expectations set forth by the guys who played this year. thanks for the insight womacky  |
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Post by bigjim98 on Mar 31, 2005 17:28:17 GMT -6
What about one of his assistants to help with recruiting......UWM ALUMNI and former BAllER....Ray Perine?
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Post by dunzz on Mar 31, 2005 17:56:58 GMT -6
nate harker ;D
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Post by bigjim98 on Mar 31, 2005 19:59:45 GMT -6
Not only was Perine a key player when we went Division 1...he has been a varsity asst for Vincent for the last six years....his family has dominated city bball for the last 25 years and he has real bball credibility in the gym and the family kitchen table.....though nate whoever would be a great second choice...
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Post by pnthr30 on Apr 1, 2005 7:42:02 GMT -6
BigJim98.......Ray would be a good choice (for some reason, I forgot about him).
I would love to see either Ray or Marc Mitchell on the UWM bench. Both have put in some time coaching, are well connected around the city, are well liked, and obviously know the game.
On a side note, if Vincent put together a teacher/staff bball team, they would be VERY tough.......
Ray Perine
Jose Winston
Brad Bestor
Kon Knueppel
I am sure there is another guy or two over there that can play...........not a bad team. haha
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Post by victorepanther on Apr 2, 2005 13:32:04 GMT -6
anybody know any other former Panthers that are coaching? Marc Briggs is an assistant at Marquette High - he could join Mitchell on a Washington/UWM player and coach team, but they'd still need a few more guys to take on Vincent.
Is James Wright an education major? He could be a great prospect for that V-House team as soon as he graduates.
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Post by bigjim98 on Apr 2, 2005 19:29:53 GMT -6
pnthr30....great post the v-house team would be hard to handle....I think Ray would be the better choice for several reasons....regardless they will need someone with strong local ties to compete with uw-madison for recruits.....whom better than former milwaukee players?
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