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Post by Hack on Feb 18, 2005 14:24:20 GMT -6
Two things...it has everything to do with home and home. If your Ad wants to talk to MU about a one time, play at the BC game, I'd be shocked and appalled if he said no. I'll personally come back here and tell you you're totally right. Pearl has repeatedly been quoted on the record that UWM would play a one-time game at the BC. MU refuses. The issues MU has toward UWM run far-below the surface ... MU's AD Cords cannot stand UWM. The two teams will not play as long as he's there.
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mwu
Sophomore
I am U-Dub U-M
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Post by mwu on Feb 18, 2005 14:31:50 GMT -6
mind you the UW/MU game was played early in the year. UW has a tendency to be slow starters and build as the season (in games too) goes along. like last year, they started off a little rough but they came back and beat illinois in the tourny. if the 2 teams played now MU would be dominated. and yes, venue plays a huge roll, had it been in mad-town this year UW would've been more likely to win than not. so i guess my point being don't weigh into that game too much, its not the best arguement for MU's supposed superiority in the city or the state for that matter.
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Post by NEClamChowder on Feb 18, 2005 14:35:03 GMT -6
Yup, HackPanther may be right. I'm not totally sure why it doesn't happen, but that I wouldn't doubt. Cords is certainly winding down in his tenure as AD so I'd imagine in 5 years or so MU will have a new AD, so maybe it will happen then. Until then, focus on teams on the schedule! By the way, I love Pearl just as much as anyone, but how long do we think he'll be here? I saw posts about kids in H.S. and not uprooting his family and moving, and those people need to stop living in a fantasy land. I'd like to believe that also, but its just not factual. Any mid-major coach will jump at a high major job offer. The money is better, the exposure is better, and the JOB is easier. Life as a mid-major is a b****, and if an offer comes BP is gone. It will be hard for AD's with vacant head coaching jobs at high majors to ignore the work BP has done. And quite frankly, he deserves a big gig. I'm not real sure whats going to open up this spring though, so maybe he will be around another year at least. I still think Davis is safe at Indiana, and I dont think Iowa will fire Alford either. Monson is safe at Minnesota after a pretty decent year. Will be interesting to see how things pan out. Opinions?
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Post by NEClamChowder on Feb 18, 2005 14:38:50 GMT -6
if the 2 teams played now MU would be dominated. I totally disagree. At the Kohl Center, tougher to win, yes. MU has always played them tough at the KC, though. If they played tomorrow it would be another close game, as they usually are. MU's record is deceiving, they are a very good team when they are all healthy, which they are now.
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Post by UICJason on Feb 18, 2005 14:43:41 GMT -6
Hey all,
I'm not saying that this is some perfect comparison or even that you can draw conclusions from it. I can, however, say that it shows that MU certainly didn't play a crap schedule compared to UWM which people said. The non-conference schedules were pretty similar, except that UWM got screwed by opponents getting bad, and MU scheduled bad opponents.
When you bring in conference, of course, MU's schedule is better.
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Post by Ron Diaz on Feb 18, 2005 14:47:20 GMT -6
Oh yeah, that was the whole difference...you lost by 30 but if you played at the Cell you would have won...don't call names, dude. Especially if you're not making a decent point. No, I didn't say that. I am saying its stupid to compare two teams by way of a third party team. Had you guys played UW at the Kohl Center like we did, it may have been a different story. I'm not saying if we played them at home we would have won, but who knows. The fact is the only way we ever decide who is better, is a head to head matchup, which won't be happening anytime soon.
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Post by PANTHERfan on Feb 18, 2005 14:47:29 GMT -6
i kind of view BP's someday departure the same as the brett favre retirement watch... inevitable and pointless. it's going to happen at some point so we may as well enjoy the ride and not fear the future. i think BP is a little different though in terms of the typical successful mid-major coach fleeing to bigger venues. he has a history of digging in and staying long term at places... southern indiana, etc. he's said before he doesn't enjoy the moving, but of course, who does? but couple that with his tainted image and obvious committment to uw-milwaukee and you have to wonder if he might just stick around longer than many would expect? he's always said it would take the "no brainer" job to leave. to most that's indiana and iowa. well, it doesn't look like either will be calling just yet so we'll see. it'll be a sad day for sure when he does leave. you couldn't build a better coach for this program. he's doing EVERYTHING that's necessary to build a long term winning program. but you have to have hope that when he does leave that he'll have done enough to make the vacancy an attractive opportunity for someone else. and i suspect that's how it'll be.
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Post by Hack on Feb 18, 2005 14:56:42 GMT -6
No, I didn't say that. I am saying its stupid to compare two teams by way of a third party team. Had you guys played UW at the Kohl Center like we did, it may have been a different story. I'm not saying if we played them at home we would have won, but who knows. The fact is the only way we ever decide who is better, is a head to head matchup, which won't be happening anytime soon. Ron has a point about the third party teams. Everyone who follows UWM knows it has problems with teams that play a half-court, slow tempo style. That's why UWM struggled in adjusting to UW's play. MU doesn't play that, therefore UWM in all likelihood would fare much better in a matchup and would have an excellent chance of winning.
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Post by NEClamChowder on Feb 18, 2005 15:18:22 GMT -6
Actually Hack, MU very much plays a style quite similar to UW's.
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Post by Hack on Feb 18, 2005 15:22:26 GMT -6
Actually Hack, MU very much plays a style quite similar to UW's. Some have told me that before too, I just struggle to see it sometimes. Regardless, each game is different. UWM beat Air Force and South Dakota State by more points than MU did. Big deal. Same applies to UWM's loss to UW.
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Womack
Freshman
Second best is the first loser
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Post by Womack on Feb 18, 2005 15:43:56 GMT -6
I agree...UWM matches up much better against MU than UW.....UW is bigger and plays better defense than MU does...MU is slightly more athletic than UW which plays into the hands of UWM...UWM is more athletic than MU so the up and down game would not bother UWM at all..UWM is also deeper than MU which helps there case
Nonetheless it would be a good game...Without Diener, MU does not win hands down, with him its close
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SRT4driver
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We Are MILWAUKEE! And I'm all about accountability, unlike '5th Placer' Jeter apologists.
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Post by SRT4driver on Feb 19, 2005 0:43:42 GMT -6
If UWM just wanted to play at the BC, then MU would do it, but for MU to go across the street just doesn't make sense. Two things...it has everything to do with home and home. If your Ad wants to talk to MU about a one time, play at the BC game, I'd be shocked and appalled if he said no. I'll personally come back here and tell you you're totally right. Dear Jason, Since Tom Crean and Bruce Pearl are both on record numerous times refuting both your statements, I hope you're sitting down as you're "shocked and appalled". We're ready for that apology/"you're totally right" post whenever you are. Sincerely, Every sensible college basketball fan in Milwaukee
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Post by MrBlue on Feb 19, 2005 6:43:34 GMT -6
Marquette not playing UWM is totally ridiculous. It would be a great game for the city as well as a real test against a solid mid-major team.
I'm a DePaul student and I've always wondered why there have been literally one or two matchups between DePaul and UIC. Granted, UIC has only heated up in relatively recent history ('98 onwards), it's a great game to treat the best of Chicago college hoops. But our AD finally came to her senses and scheduled it this year...
Somehow, Marquette is the darling of all news media around the country simply because of their final four run under Wade. Did anyone catch the Golden Chickens/Louisville game? How many times did Rick Majerus of ESPN say "Travis Diener, the All-American candidate!" Um, a 10-point game with several missed laypups doesn't indicate to me an All-American candidacy, lol.
Marquette has talent, but of course they do because they're a "high-major" team in a "high-major" conference, but when faced against an athletic UWM team, UWM would put up a fierce game.
Can't wait till this Sunday when DePaul can finally sweep these golden chickens.
-mr blue WeAreDePaul.com
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Post by uwm6thman on Feb 19, 2005 9:07:48 GMT -6
Marquette not playing UWM is totally ridiculous. It would be a great game for the city as well as a real test against a solid mid-major team. I'm a DePaul student and I've always wondered why there have been literally one or two matchups between DePaul and UIC. Granted, UIC has only heated up in relatively recent history ('98 onwards), it's a great game to treat the best of Chicago college hoops. But our AD finally came to her senses and scheduled it this year... Somehow, Marquette is the darling of all news media around the country simply because of their final four run under Wade. Did anyone catch the Golden Chickens/Louisville game? How many times did Rick Majerus of ESPN say "Travis Diener, the All-American candidate!" Um, a 10-point game with several missed laypups doesn't indicate to me an All-American candidacy, lol. Marquette has talent, but of course they do because they're a "high-major" team in a "high-major" conference, but when faced against an athletic UWM team, UWM would put up a fierce game. Can't wait till this Sunday when DePaul can finally sweep these golden chickens. -mr blue WeAreDePaul.com I totally agree with everything just said, it is so great to have an unbiased opinion on the subject. I have wanted a game with MU the entire time I have attended UWM, but aparently they are too good for us. I just hope they have fun getting their ass kicked in the big east. Soon the big east will be saying that they don't want to play MU because they suck! ;D
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Post by UICJason on Feb 19, 2005 10:49:58 GMT -6
Unbiased? From a DePaul fan? You do realize that DePaul fans hate MU with a passion right? They might be more biased than you guys are.
As for Crean and Pearl being on record, show them to me, and I'll be right here for that apology and admitting that that is ridiculous.
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