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Post by PantherU on Dec 24, 2007 0:22:35 GMT -6
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Post by Big D on Dec 24, 2007 0:48:29 GMT -6
...whatever makes you feel better about losing.
I'd imagine that given the choice between "building" a program from scratch and losing now and filling holes with JUCOs and winning now, most UWM fans, even the one that wrote this blog entry, would take the JUCOs and winning.
Jeter has shown no signs that he's building a program. You guys are closing in on UIC levels of self-destruction....lose Flowers and KJ, and what has Jeter done for you?
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Post by PantherU on Dec 24, 2007 2:56:24 GMT -6
...whatever makes you feel better about losing. I'd imagine that given the choice between "building" a program from scratch and losing now and filling holes with JUCOs and winning now, most UWM fans, even the one that wrote this blog entry, would take the JUCOs and winning. Jeter has shown no signs that he's building a program. You guys are closing in on UIC levels of self-destruction....lose Flowers and KJ, and what has Jeter done for you? No, I support Jeter building a program instead of using quick fixes. |
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Post by gotskillz on Dec 24, 2007 9:41:36 GMT -6
As a GB fan I agree, do not go the JUCO route. GB tried that and sure they had a few 17-11 seasons but they didn't even sniff the big dance and in the long run set their team back into what is now referred to as the "pmck era." I didn't log in to compare programs because I know how that will turn out. I did log in to say that as an outsider I am not sure Jeter is taking to the 4 year building model. For certain he was the one who recruited Tyrone Young, Marcus Skinner, Sam Mauldin, Torre Johnson, Deion James and Joe Allen. Some of those guys were better than others but the point is none of them had a 4 year commitment to UWM. Next year one of your recruits is another Juco. So if building a program with four year guys is what you want I don't think anyone could say he has fully tried to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2007 10:10:59 GMT -6
As a GB fan I agree, do not go the JUCO route. GB tried that and sure they had a few 17-11 seasons but they didn't even sniff the big dance and in the long run set their team back into what is now referred to as the "pmck era." I didn't log in to compare programs because I know how that will turn out. I did log in to say that as an outsider I am not sure Jeter is taking to the 4 year building model. For certain he was the one who recruited Tyrone Young, Marcus Skinner, Sam Mauldin, Torre Johnson, Deion James and Joe Allen. Some of those guys were better than others but the point is none of them had a 4 year commitment to UWM. Next year one of your recruits is another Juco. So if building a program with four year guys is what you want I don't think anyone could say he has fully tried to do that. I think it's ok to fill a scholarship here and there with a Juco especially if you have an immediate position that needs to be met. Last year no Juco's signed which is a good start at building a program with four year recruits. Next year Eayr's is the only Juco we have signed and I don't believe Jeter is looking at signing any others. |
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Post by fan on Dec 24, 2007 11:30:13 GMT -6
I have said previously that I'm now fine with the team and support Rob. Unfortunately your post is SO far off base and ridiculously biased that I must respond.
So according to your reasoning/definitions signing Eayrs isn't "building a program" right? Tyrone Young? Marcus Skinner? Sam Mauldin? Torre Johnson? Deion James? Joe Allen?
Maybe I don't understand exactly what you mean by "building a program." Is it the same as miring in mediocrity? If you never win, then the coach doesn't leave right? Please define "building a program". If it means recruiting 4 year players, then I don't think Jeter is doing that. Can you name a successful mid-major program that depends almost solely on 4 year recruits?
If it means showing a commitment to stay in Milwaukee, then Jeter surely hasn't done that. Rob tried hard to build a program by interviewing for the Iowa State job after his first year didn't he?
How can you say on one side of your mouth that people shouldn't compare or talk about Bruce and then do exactly that out of the other side of your mouth?
Great job at stoking the fire so your blog gets read.
Turrible BP. Turrible.
You should delete the blog post and lock the thread. This has all been said before and we aren't getting anywhere. The anti-Jeters have been relatively quiet lately.
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Post by PantherU on Dec 24, 2007 15:36:32 GMT -6
I support a JUCO here or there, but they should plug a hole or two, not create vast holes later. If BP was building a program (Bruce Pearl, I'm not speaking in 3rd person), he wouldn't have spent scholarships on JUCO players that would graduate with the majority of his players. He would have gone the four year route...not had as good a team, maybe, but he wouldn't have been stuck in the situation Rob is now. And Pearl would have been stuck in this hole.
And Jeter never interviewed with Iowa State. The school was interested in him, but they never interviewed him because they hired McDermott. I have already stated this elsewhere.
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Post by DunneDeal on Dec 24, 2007 22:48:11 GMT -6
I like the JUCO route...but only to sprinkle in with the "CORE". Rob is building a core....and when we need the added people, then thats cool add them in.
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Post by Hack on Dec 25, 2007 0:49:48 GMT -6
And Jeter never interviewed with Iowa State. The school was interested in him, but they never interviewed him because they hired McDermott. I have already stated this elsewhere. "UW-Milwaukee basketball coach Rob Jeter had a formal interview Monday for the head coaching job at Iowa State, he said, amid reports that the Cyclones could fill their opening as early as today." ... "I'm just waiting to hear back from them," Jeter said. "It's something that it looks like they want to move fairly quickly." |
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Post by PantherU on Dec 25, 2007 14:06:35 GMT -6
My mistake. I got the details a little mixed up. I mixed up the interview with the offer of the job.
They didn't offer him the job, but he did interview. Excuse me for my incorrect post.
Since it's a year and a half ago already, I'm sure Iowa State's athletic director, Jamie Pollard, won't mind that I post his e-mail to me.
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Post by Kroener3535 on Dec 26, 2007 11:58:37 GMT -6
I guess Ed McCants and Boo Davis weren't good recruits then either. My point is, Junior College players arent a bad deal. I dont think the people down at Butler will complain about Mike Green...after 2003 when we lost every guard the program had, Bruce went out and got guards...he got Ed, he got Boo, even though he redshirted a year, and he nearly got us back to the NCAA tourney...so I find the two year players are much more of a jumpstart to a program and they can help a program be built....I just hope we can turn the corner here
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Post by pantherpanther on Dec 31, 2007 0:34:29 GMT -6
I think a good program has a mix of 4 year and JUCO recruits.
What percentage that mix is depends on the state of the program, meaning the players in place, but JUCO players play an integral role, as well as transfers.
Look at Skinner and Paulsen.
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Post by PantherU on Dec 31, 2007 17:32:10 GMT -6
I think a good program has a mix of 4 year and JUCO recruits. What percentage that mix is depends on the state of the program, meaning the players in place, but JUCO players play an integral role, as well as transfers. Look at Skinner and Paulsen. You're right. I was merely saying that in recruiting JUCO's and transfers instead of HS seniors, he mortgaged the future for the present. |
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