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Post by reginaldkdwight on Dec 28, 2023 23:39:03 GMT -6
Oh sh*t, we're almost a top 300 team? Fear us. The league is still not good, both games this weekend are winnable even without BJ. Pratt and EJ need to take care of the rock and we will have a chance. Hope Wilson continues to hit the glass well also.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 13:17:08 GMT -6
Not exactly "Advanced Stats" but I don't know where else to put this thing I put together over the break. No huge surprises but it is interesting to see the long arc of our attendance that is currently bending a little bit toward ~1,200/game avg. The raw data I compiled and used is attached as well (from ESPN.com). Some games have no attendance data, hence, "0" (all COVID season games are also all obv. 0). Might we reach a point where the team can draw ~3-5k for regular season games? It seems to me that is the only viable path to continue playing downtown. Or are we already headed back to the KC (I get that impression from some some coaches, the Uni and AD ppl..). it is actually a whole lotta fun at the Arena if you can draw a crowd.. Attachments:MKE_attendence.xlsx (38.16 KB)
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Post by tyrunner0097 on Jan 2, 2024 14:34:18 GMT -6
Not exactly "Advanced Stats" but I don't know where else to put this thing I put together over the break. No huge surprises but it is interesting to see the long arc of our attendance that is currently bending a little bit toward ~1,200/game avg. The raw data I compiled and used is attached as well (from ESPN.com). Some games have no attendance data, hence, "0" (all COVID season games are also all obv. 0). Might we reach a point where the team can draw ~3-5k for regular season games? It seems to me that is the only viable path to continue playing downtown. Or are we already headed back to the KC (I get that impression from some some coaches, the Uni and AD ppl..). it is actually a whole lotta fun at the Arena if you can draw a crowd.. Unless they plan to heavily modify the KC to D1 standards, the program might as well be retracted to D3 if they go back. The Arena is a very good place with a crowd of even 5K plus in it. Bart uses the Arena, the history, and the proximity to Fiserv Forum to sell to recruits. If he can keep winning, competing, and bringing in more local recruits, there WILL be more people at the Arena for games. The AD needs to stop this waffling between these places, year by year. It reeks of dysfunction, and you won't get any of the locals, alumni or no, big boosters and fervent supporters with a dysfunctional AD that looks like it can't figure out what color folders to buy, let alone a 5-year or long-term plan for our major programs.
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Post by buppie05 on Jan 2, 2024 15:10:01 GMT -6
Given how good the team looked in the second half of play vs WSU, I suspect we will see regular crowds of 3k-5k before the end of the season. That kind of crowd would get the Panther Arena rocking.
As for long term, Panther Arena is the spot. It’s a gem the majority of D1 teams should envy.
Bring D1 hockey to the university, and that sport alone should cover the expenses of the Arena. We would be the only D1 in the city, and the crowds would come out. We would outdraw the Admirals. I’m not aware of any D1 hockey team that doesn’t outdraw it’s in town minor league hockey team. Perhaps this thought is for a different thread, but I would love to see it happen.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Jan 2, 2024 18:55:27 GMT -6
If we go back to the KC I wont be renewing my season tickets.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 2, 2024 19:26:20 GMT -6
If we go back to the KC I wont be renewing my season tickets. A return to the KC means that we lose at least 50% of our fan base. It's been proven more than once. The university needs to do away with this fantasy that it's an adequate facility for D-1 men's basketball. It really is that simple.
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Post by ghostofpbj on Jan 2, 2024 19:34:48 GMT -6
If we go back to the KC I wont be renewing my season tickets. I will not renew either
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Post by Petes on Jan 2, 2024 20:12:09 GMT -6
. Bring D1 hockey to the university, and that sport alone should cover the expenses of the Arena. We would be the only D1 in the city, and the crowds would come out. We would outdraw the Admirals. I’m not aware of any D1 hockey team that doesn’t outdraw it’s in town minor league hockey team. Perhaps this thought is for a different thread, but I would love to see it happen. Let’s just focus on making the basketball program as good as possible before we do another sport half ass
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 2, 2024 20:49:14 GMT -6
I won't abandon my school unless we drop out of Division 1 again, but moving back to the Klotsche full time could be a first step toward that end. First will go the crowds, then the media attention, then the administration's interest in keeping it afloat. It's all happened before.
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Post by mattg on Jan 2, 2024 22:31:49 GMT -6
Playing in the KC would be embarrassing. That's a high school caliber gym.
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Post by PantherU on Jan 3, 2024 12:47:07 GMT -6
The bigger problem isn't going back to campus, it's going to a 50-year old gym that was built for intramural sports - it wasn't even built for intercollegiate athletics. The bleachers were an afterthought. The university has committed to downtown, and the Arena should always be a part of our plans, but I've been looking at the attendance trends and the numbers are not looking great for college basketball. Mid-majors, high-majors, doesn't matter. Most programs have suffered long-term drops in attendance. I think, if I'm being honest, the situation Villanova has is the preferable one - most games on campus, big games at the Sixers arena downtown. If I were waving the magic wand, I'd build an on-campus arena in the 3-4,000-seat range, play a majority of games there and save the Arena for big non-conference games or, if the Horizon League ever rediscovers its brain stem, the HLT. Loyola's gutting renovation of the Gentile Center is something to look for, but campus has several spots you can go to - the likeliest would be the south end of the current gym, overtaking the space where the Norris Health Center used to be. The best place - on the main campus at least - would be at the northwest corner of Maryland and Hartford, where they recently tore down the old hospital and as of yet don't have plans for the space. Now I don't want to get into a political fight here, but this is also an opportunity to he logical northern extension of the streetcar M Line would be to go up Prospect, turn at North Ave, then turn north at Lake Drive and onto Downer. If the line goes to Hartford rather than Kenwood (which it should), then the corner of Maryland and Hartford becomes reachable by the streetcar. You bring the city's largest pedestrian population (UWM), a major hospital (Columbia St Mary's) and two nightlife districts (Brady St and North Ave) to the streetcar line. Adding the university's shining new basketball arena as a stop would be a shining anchor for what would be an incredibly useful line for the Hop. The arena isn't going to happen for awhile, which is fine because the north extension of the streetcar's M-Line isn't going to reach UWM for at least a decade, and 10 years is probably a best-case scenario seeing as they haven't secured the funding to finish the downtown loop up 4th street past the Forum. It wouldn't be a bad idea to pedestrianize Hartford Avenue between Maryland and Chapman Hall, allowing only mass transit and emergency vehicles through the space. So if we're talking about 10-25 years down the road, perhaps it's not a bad idea to make the connection and plan a capital campaign to build the arena, surrounded by mixed-use space that maximizes the benefits to campus while providing a facility the university can use for any number of entertainment uses.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Jan 3, 2024 14:12:33 GMT -6
My wish for 2024 is that Jimmy finds the magic wand to wave. That's what it would take, at least in my lifetime.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Jan 3, 2024 15:11:11 GMT -6
I won't abandon my school unless we drop out of Division 1 again, but moving back to the Klotsche full time could be a first step toward that end. First will go the crowds, then the media attention, then the administration's interest in keeping it afloat. It's all happened before. Too much sh*t to take my time and money I dont need to waste 20 days a year at a high school gym, id rather just go watch hs games.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Jan 3, 2024 15:12:42 GMT -6
The bigger problem isn't going back to campus, it's going to a 50-year old gym that was built for intramural sports - it wasn't even built for intercollegiate athletics. The bleachers were an afterthought. The university has committed to downtown, and the Arena should always be a part of our plans, but I've been looking at the attendance trends and the numbers are not looking great for college basketball. Mid-majors, high-majors, doesn't matter. Most programs have suffered long-term drops in attendance. I think, if I'm being honest, the situation Villanova has is the preferable one - most games on campus, big games at the Sixers arena downtown. If I were waving the magic wand, I'd build an on-campus arena in the 3-4,000-seat range, play a majority of games there and save the Arena for big non-conference games or, if the Horizon League ever rediscovers its brain stem, the HLT. Loyola's gutting renovation of the Gentile Center is something to look for, but campus has several spots you can go to - the likeliest would be the south end of the current gym, overtaking the space where the Norris Health Center used to be. The best place - on the main campus at least - would be at the northwest corner of Maryland and Hartford, where they recently tore down the old hospital and as of yet don't have plans for the space. Now I don't want to get into a political fight here, but this is also an opportunity to he logical northern extension of the streetcar M Line would be to go up Prospect, turn at North Ave, then turn north at Lake Drive and onto Downer. If the line goes to Hartford rather than Kenwood (which it should), then the corner of Maryland and Hartford becomes reachable by the streetcar. You bring the city's largest pedestrian population (UWM), a major hospital (Columbia St Mary's) and two nightlife districts (Brady St and North Ave) to the streetcar line. Adding the university's shining new basketball arena as a stop would be a shining anchor for what would be an incredibly useful line for the Hop. The arena isn't going to happen for awhile, which is fine because the north extension of the streetcar's M-Line isn't going to reach UWM for at least a decade, and 10 years is probably a best-case scenario seeing as they haven't secured the funding to finish the downtown loop up 4th street past the Forum. It wouldn't be a bad idea to pedestrianize Hartford Avenue between Maryland and Chapman Hall, allowing only mass transit and emergency vehicles through the space. So if we're talking about 10-25 years down the road, perhaps it's not a bad idea to make the connection and plan a capital campaign to build the arena, surrounded by mixed-use space that maximizes the benefits to campus while providing a facility the university can use for any number of entertainment uses. Guess the only hope is one of us posters gets wealthy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 17:03:56 GMT -6
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