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Post by BBFran on Feb 21, 2022 10:12:01 GMT -6
Really, we are arguing semantics. Gard doesn't need to be grabbing Howard's arm. The timeout was bushleague. Should that cause punches, heck no. Which I have said. Apparently Marquette pissing down its leg again yesterday really chapped your ass, because you're bothsidesism to try to take it out on Wisconsin's immensely better program is getting more inane with every post.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 21, 2022 10:24:19 GMT -6
Really, we are arguing semantics. Gard doesn't need to be grabbing Howard's arm. The timeout was bushleague. Should that cause punches, heck no. Which I have said. Apparently Marquette pissing down its leg again yesterday really chapped your ass, because you're bothsidesism to try to take it out on Wisconsin's immensely better program is getting more inane with every post. Not sure what Marquette has to do with Michigan/UW. I was angered in what Howard did. My post six on the thread was clear on that.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 21, 2022 10:32:56 GMT -6
The Athletic's Chris Branch's take:
First, watch the video. You’ll notice the handshake line is proceeding as usual, until Howard tries to walk past Gard without shaking hands but tells Gard, “I’ll remember this.” Gard becomes angry at this, physically stepping in front of Howard to discuss their issues.
Howard was mad. He puts a finger in Gard’s face, yelling — ostensibly about that unnecessary timeout. A near-melee ensues, including Howard throwing a sort of open-hand punch/slap at Wisconsin assistant Joe Krabbenhoft. Players got involved and a couple of real punches were thrown. No one was injured, but it was an ugly scene.
Michigan and the Big Ten condemned the altercation. Suspensions are possible. Don’t be surprised if Howard faces a lengthy suspension or even termination. That feels harsh, but things aren’t great at Michigan right now. It might be a final-straw situation.
The even-keeled takeaway: Two things can be true here. Gard probably shouldn’t have called that timeout. Take your win, head to the locker room and celebrate properly. No need to filibuster in front of your opponent after you’ve won handily.
Howard probably should’ve given a begrudging handshake and gone home, stewing on the loss in the safe confines of his own locker room with no national TV cameras in sight.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 21, 2022 10:34:03 GMT -6
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Post by Pantherholic on Feb 21, 2022 11:49:53 GMT -6
Everyone should’ve done the exact opposite of what they did. If Gard wanted to justify his use of the timeout, call Howard the next day. They were seemingly on good terms before yesterday so let Howard be upset in the moment and let him sleep it off.
I don’t think Howard should be fired but he’ll need some anger management training as well as get his ego checked. Between his actions last year and yesterday, he clearly feels entitled to say whatever he wants and if you DARE stand up for yourself, he’s immediately threatened. You can rep growing up in the streets of Chicago and legitimately claim you feel threatened by Greg Gard and Mark Turgeon.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 21, 2022 12:07:34 GMT -6
National Action Network responds to Juwan Howard's postgame incident at Wisconsin.
I need to find better video as the one that was just on TMJ4. You guessed it. "We see this as racist."
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Feb 21, 2022 12:12:53 GMT -6
Just because Juwan Howard is very likely most at fault here doesn’t mean that the Badgers are 100% innocent. I guess I don’t know what Krabbenhoft said. He it was nothing worse than general trash talk, it’s poor sportsmanship, but it’s still quite an overreaction to slap/punch him.
If he said a slur or something like that, then Howard’s reaction may make more sense. I’m definitely not in the position to understand the feelings that are evoked when somebody calls you a slur, so if that’s what happened, it’s hard for me to say Howard was totally in the wrong.
I have no idea what was said; however, the fact that Krabbenhoft is silent about what he said makes me think that at the very least, he’s not proud of what he said. I doubt it was anything approaching a slur, and I very much hope it wasn’t. Still, based on his lack of reaction to what went on, I doubt at least Krabbenhoft is totally in the clear either.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 21, 2022 12:55:42 GMT -6
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 21, 2022 13:00:34 GMT -6
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Post by BBFran on Feb 21, 2022 13:02:24 GMT -6
This is what we have in this crazy age of lying without consequence. You can literally see what happened in the video and know this is 100% on Howard. And yet jackwads on television paid to be provocative and random message board posters with an agenda are trying to create some horsesh*t way to both sides it. I’m sorry but that’s complete bullsh*t. I’m so tired of it. There is such a thing as objective truth. Again, you can actually SEE what happened. Howard has zero justification for anything he did and he, a HEAD COACH, started a brawl that could have resulted in multiple injuries to players. Why was that jackass pressing walkons with five star players in the last minute of a game he had long since already badly lost in the first place? To say now that HE had ANY right to be mad about how the game ended is complete bullsh*t. Then HE walks up to Gard and says “I’ll remember that sh*t” to Gard and feels “threatened” when Gard touches his elbow and starts explaining why he took the timeout? And then coldc***s the assistant? Unreal. In a court of law he’d be convicted in ten minutes, and it would only take that long if somebody on the jury had to use the restroom first.
You have to either be blind with bias or have lost your minds if you ever had them to think there is any “both sides” in this whatsoever.
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Feb 21, 2022 14:25:47 GMT -6
This is what we have in this crazy age of lying without consequence. You can literally see what happened in the video and know this is 100% on Howard. And yet jackwads on television paid to be provocative and random message board posters with an agenda are trying to create some horsesh*t way to both sides it. I’m sorry but that’s complete bullsh*t. I’m so tired of it. There is such a thing as objective truth. Again, you can actually SEE what happened. Howard has zero justification for anything he did and he, a HEAD COACH, started a brawl that could have resulted in multiple injuries to players. Why was that jackass pressing walkons with five star players in the last minute of a game he had long since already badly lost in the first place? To say now that HE had ANY right to be mad about how the game ended is complete bullsh*t. Then HE walks up to Gard and says “I’ll remember that sh*t” to Gard and feels “threatened” when Gard touches his elbow and starts explaining why he took the timeout? And then coldc***s the assistant? Unreal. In a court of law he’d be convicted in ten minutes, and it would only take that long if somebody on the jury had to use the restroom first. You have to either be blind with bias or have lost your minds if you ever had them to think there is any “both sides” in this whatsoever. We have the video, and based on the video, I don’t think Gard or any Badgers did anything particularly wrong. But context matters. If the only context was the timeout and the press, then yes, Howard is fully wrong. We don’t have the audio, and I think that matters. That’s why they’re doing an investigation. Maybe there’s something there that does paint Gard or Krabbenhoft in a bad light. I don’t know. But there are some things that the video doesn’t show that may show that Gard and Krabbenhoft weren’t blameless either. And for the record, I’m pretty indifferent about Wisconsin basketball. I cheer for their football team, but am rather indifferent with their basketball team since I have my own team that I cheer for (as pathetic as they may be). I dislike multiple programs (including Marquette and Green Bay) much more than I dislike the Badgers. It’s my understanding that you are a big Badgers fan. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but it may impact how you see this. And again, the Badgers may have done absolutely nothing wrong. I don’t think Gard was aggressive toward Howard in that video. But they may have given Howard a legitimate reason to be angry (something much worse than calling a timeout or pressing or doing whatever at the end of a lopsided basketball game). I don’t know. And unless you heard what was all said in that scrum, neither do you.
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Post by steveisback on Feb 21, 2022 14:31:54 GMT -6
Other than U W collecting a lot of money from me due to our two kids going through both bachelor and masters degrees there I have no big bias toward Wisconsin. I found it interesting in listening to Steve "Sparky Pfeiffer and Gary Ellerson on radio over noon hour they feel that Gard has some comparative negligence. They feel that if he just walked by, ignored Howard and did not touch him much less answer back angrily this would not have happened. In short their premise was that when you have an out of control person you de-escalate not further escalate....I dont agree......I think regardless, unless Krabbenhoft used the N word there was no excuse to throw a punch.......horrible ewxample.....
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Post by PantherU on Feb 21, 2022 15:25:24 GMT -6
He should be freaking prosecuted. I wonder what a lawyer thinks of this
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 21, 2022 16:08:45 GMT -6
I wonder what would have happened if Howard hadn't grabbed Gard by the jacket and put his finger in Gard's chest?
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 21, 2022 16:29:20 GMT -6
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