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Post by GoPanthersGo23 on Feb 13, 2021 17:55:44 GMT -6
Our conference is trash, and yet this joke of a HC is still here. Our garbage AD is still here, you know who is not? Fans like myself who are tired of being Chicago St. Version 2.0. His kid won't come here, and we will continue to get D2 level talent and losing in a joke conference. Fire him yesterday. Jeter was fired for 4th place and a tourney birth the yr prior. What is the reasoning now? I have never seen a post I have agreed with more than this one.
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Post by chipanthers45 on Feb 13, 2021 17:58:54 GMT -6
There's a great deal to unpack here, but let's start with this: we're 55-92 since March of 2016. Heads should roll. And if it's up to me we start with Mone.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 13, 2021 19:10:12 GMT -6
There's a great deal to unpack here, but let's start with this: we're 55-92 since March, 2016. We were 55-43 in the three years prior. Heads should roll. Do you think Mone knows that? I don't. They will use Covid as a reason, like others that are weak in leadership have done in Milwaukee Co. and this state.
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Post by nickpanther on Feb 13, 2021 19:43:47 GMT -6
covids not the problem. we've sucked in the latter half of seasons for several years now. we've lost. what, 92 games over the past 5 years, and only have as many wins in those years as we had in the previous 3? this isnt 1 coaches fault, but its the administrations fault. they cant find good coaches, and they dont give the program enough support. Lavall got a 8-21 squad to the conference title game. Baldwon just isnt getting the best out of the team. could be 1 reason could be a whole hoist of reasons. but our record speaks for itself.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 14, 2021 7:27:37 GMT -6
It's been said, "You are what your record says you are."
Except we're not even THAT. We have one win over No. 280 Western Michigan, two wins over No. 277 Green Bay in Will Ryan's first H League games as a head coach and three wins over No. 260 IUPUI. Bluntly, this is a complete fail.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Feb 14, 2021 9:19:59 GMT -6
Most of us on here have been talking about this for how many years now? What I want to know is...
Is nickpanther and nickpanther78 actually the same person? Like Clark Kent and Superman? Maybe the latter could use some cryptonite to finally initiate positive change in UWM's approach towards athletics and in the athletic department. This may be our only hope.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 14, 2021 9:57:16 GMT -6
I'd like to add one more thing while I'm on a roll: the program isn't just about those of us who post on this board (it's why, for example, I preferred that games NOT be played at the Klotsche Center even when it was in my backyard). I weep for the students (even GRAD students) who have never even seen a WINNING season much less the Arena sold out for an HL title game. To this day, I get goosebumps when I think about the 2003 game against Butler.
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Post by Pantherholic on Feb 14, 2021 14:31:35 GMT -6
You never had a shot at that spot. The MVC wanted a team in Chicago. It was down to UIC and Loyola. UIC was the front runner until Loyola made their financial commitment to increase their budget and put money into their facilities. True, MKE didn't have a chance initially but what it could've done was to start the process of what the athletic dept would need to do to in order to assimilate into the MVC sooner. Schools were told of what was needed of them to improve their chances for acceptance the next time. Valpo had a 4 year head start on changing/improving their operations and networking themselves to school & conference officials. Obviously the on-court success was vital but Milwaukee was behind the ball on what else they could to help their status. With that said, MKE as a school is definitely an attractive option for the Valley but things have to change considerably on the court to eventually get serious consideration.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 14, 2021 19:12:47 GMT -6
True, MKE didn't have a chance initially but what it could've done was to start the process of what the athletic dept would need to do to in order to assimilate into the MVC sooner. Schools were told of what was needed of them to improve their chances for acceptance the next time. Valpo had a 4 year head start on changing/improving their operations and networking themselves to school & conference officials. Obviously the on-court success was vital but Milwaukee was behind the ball on what else they could to help their status. With that said, MKE as a school is definitely an attractive option for the Valley but things have to change considerably on the court to eventually get serious consideration. 100% agree. Valpo should have never been the pick by the MVC the second time they raided the HL. They had on the court success but it was all based on the Drew family with smoke and mirrors hiding the rest of their athletic department's issues. Now that there isn't a Drew as head coach there they are the doormat of the Valley because they have high school level facilities and don't financially support their athletics. Milwaukee's biggest issue has been the question of leadership and the direction of your athletic department due to you running through so many ADs in the last 10-15 years. Serious, Wright State has had 3 head coaches in the last 15 years. You have had 6 ADs in that timeframe. That's a serious concern from an outsider. Big D, it's not any less concerning looking at it from the INSIDE. By the way, as if it isn't plainly obvious to everyone, we're long past due in trying a seventh.
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Post by GoPanthersGo23 on Feb 14, 2021 20:36:30 GMT -6
I'd like to add one more thing while I'm on a roll: the program isn't just about those of us who post on this board (it's why, for example, I preferred that games NOT be played at the Klotsche Center even when it was in my backyard). I weep for the students (even GRAD students) who have never even seen a WINNING season much less the Arena sold out for an HL title game. To this day, I get goosebumps when I think about the 2003 game against Butler. This...I may be a little later, but some of my favorite sports times were being at the championship game in 2014 at the Nutter and even hosting the 2011 HL tourney when we lost to Butler in the finals. It is crazy how far we are from achieving those things again unfortunately.
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Post by parkerj on Feb 14, 2021 20:53:19 GMT -6
True, MKE didn't have a chance initially but what it could've done was to start the process of what the athletic dept would need to do to in order to assimilate into the MVC sooner. Schools were told of what was needed of them to improve their chances for acceptance the next time. Valpo had a 4 year head start on changing/improving their operations and networking themselves to school & conference officials. Obviously the on-court success was vital but Milwaukee was behind the ball on what else they could to help their status. With that said, MKE as a school is definitely an attractive option for the Valley but things have to change considerably on the court to eventually get serious consideration. 100% agree. Valpo should have never been the pick by the MVC the second time they raided the HL. They had on the court success but it was all based on the Drew family with smoke and mirrors hiding the rest of their athletic department's issues. Now that there isn't a Drew as head coach there they are the doormat of the Valley because they have high school level facilities and don't financially support their athletics. Milwaukee's biggest issue has been the question of leadership and the direction of your athletic department due to you running through so many ADs in the last 10-15 years. Serious, Wright State has had 3 head coaches in the last 15 years. You have had 6 ADs in that timeframe. That's a serious concern from an outsider. TBH, I think the MVC would've been in a better spot if they just flipped those two offers. Like you said, Drew magic was holding thing together for them...if Valpo is in the MVC they might've been able to keep that magic longer. Loyola would've jumped whenever...especially without Valpo in the HL. They're still in the MVC in time for the Final Four run. ...plus obviously a whole bunch of butterfly effect in play.
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Post by Pantherholic on Feb 14, 2021 21:26:58 GMT -6
Milwaukee's biggest issue has been the question of leadership and the direction of your athletic department due to you running through so many ADs in the last 10-15 years. Serious, Wright State has had 3 head coaches in the last 15 years. You have had 6 ADs in that timeframe. That's a serious concern from an outsider. True, the revolving door was a problem but Braun’s close to her 8th year on the job and assuming she makes it to the end of her contract, it’ll be 10 years. The bigger problem is the lack of interest the university has in the success of athletics. The university completed a $150M capital campaign a few years ago and guess who was left out? The most support they show is getting involved when they have to and not much more.
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Post by Pantherholic on Feb 14, 2021 22:11:18 GMT -6
Look, guys, I just want a coach who can win some games after mid-January. PBS is now 13-31 on and after Jan. 22. Baldwin is 25-44 in conference games in 4 years. He peaked in year 1 with an 8-10 record. Garbage.
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Post by Pantherholic on Feb 15, 2021 10:28:12 GMT -6
I cannot imaging UWM running a $150 million capital campaign without the athletic department being involved under Bud Haidet. The campaign started in 2006. Haidet retired in 2009. The campaign expanded in it's scope & goal for over a decade and they opted for athletics to go at it alone regardless of who was in charge of the university and athletic dept. Keep in mind, 2005-2006 was essentially the peak of basketball success for the program and the university didn't even add it to the campaign later like it did for other programs of the school. This isn't a Braun problem, its a mindset problem. minds.wisconsin.edu/bitstream/handle/1793/29041/UWM_R_Dec07.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 12:40:09 GMT -6
Wow, Woman's Coach Botham, the old purple Milwaukee Panthers logo. Time flies.......... The word "athletics" is mentioned only 2x in the margins lol. They do have 1 page on the women's hoops and volleyball teams at the end. How can you just ignore (essentially defund) Athletics like this? There is more to a university than classes. We are flipping joke of a university. Someone is clearly asleep at the wheel somewhere in the decision making hierarchy... This sucks.
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