SRT4driver
Junior
We Are MILWAUKEE! And I'm all about accountability, unlike '5th Placer' Jeter apologists.
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Post by SRT4driver on Feb 6, 2021 16:08:54 GMT -6
If Pat Baldwin is back for a 5th year next year, I'll likely give up my front row season tickets for the first time in over 20 years. Where's the accountability?
I demanded this same accountability of Rob Jeter when he was the highest paid coach in the conference after Butler departed the league in the spring of 2012. Jeter had arguably the most talented players in the Horizon League for the 4 years after Butler's departure, and he still couldn't manage to once finish better than 5th place out of 10 in his final 4 seasons after Butler left.
This is no different today. In fact, it is much worse given the level of competition in today's Horizon League!
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Feb 6, 2021 16:25:58 GMT -6
I can understand the financial constraints of having to keep Pat Baldwin next year. It’s frustrating, but we don’t have boosters who can buy out his contract in the way a high majors can (not that it hasn’t happened before, obviously). But I will be so angry if he gets extended.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 16:31:23 GMT -6
I didn't agree with you on the Jeter firing (but I do know we can be so much better than the best Jeter seasons), but you are consistent. Something has to change. PBJ was always just a little marketing puff for the program. Why were we so quick to hire Pat Baldwin? Because Braun knew him from Green Bay days? Northwestern was coming off a great run, but Baldwin was not like a wunderkind assistant coach on the rise or anything. What angers me- is I feel like a hiring decision was made with the future of a (at the time) go^&#mn child on the line. That is shameless, asinine and I am sorry if I am the last to realize that this is what has apparently happened in the BizzaroLand that is now the Milwaukee AD. It's wrong to PBJ to even have anyone affiliated with Milwaukee to have legit thought he might come here (well we did make his "Top 10" but maybe that was in PBS' contract...). I was blinded. Saw past all that. Assumed PBJ was already practicing at the K (I know, I don't understand recruiting rules). I assumed PBS and staff would start executing real basketball plays (YouTube is free). And not this chuck-it/f***-it frantic mad dash where we hope to stay within 5 all game only to lose. Have you seen us dominate anyone once? All season? It starts at the top. Someone needs to be accountable. I ain't buying tickets either after seeing this sh*t. it's obvious next to nobody cares. And yes, body language speaks volumes. Let's get our sh*t together or we'll never build anything that will (a) be successful or (b) last. Something has to change.
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Feb 6, 2021 16:37:10 GMT -6
I didn't agree with you on the Jeter firing (but I do know we can be so much better than the best Jeter seasons), but you are consistent. Something has to change. PBJ was always just a little marketing puff for the program. Why were we so quick to hire Pat Baldwin? Because Braun knew him from Green Bay days? Northwestern was coming off a great run, but Baldwin was not like a wunderkind assistant coach on the rise or anything. What angers me- is I feel like a hiring decision was made with the future of a (at the time) go^mn child on the line. That is shameless, asinine and I am sorry if I am the last to realize that this is what has apparently happened in the BizzaroLand that is now the Milwaukee AD. It's wrong to PBJ to even have anyone affiliated with Milwaukee to have legit thought he might come here (well we did make his "Top 10" but maybe that was in PBS' contract...). I was blinded. Saw past all that. Assumed PBJ was already practicing at the K (I know, I don't understand recruiting rules). I assumed PBS and staff would start executing real basketball plays (YouTube is free). And not this chuck-it/f***-it frantic mad dash where we hope to stay within 5 all game only to lose. Have you seen us dominate anyone once? All season? It starts at the top. Someone needs to be accountable. I ain't buying tickets either after seeing this sh*t. it's obvious next to nobody cares. And yes, body language speaks volumes. Let's get our sh*t together or we'll never build anything that will (a) be successful or (b) last. Something has to change. I could be wrong on this, but didn’t UWM largely outsource the hiring to some outside firm, and that outside firm suggested Pat Baldwin.
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Feb 6, 2021 17:21:50 GMT -6
I didn't agree with you on the Jeter firing (but I do know we can be so much better than the best Jeter seasons), but you are consistent. Something has to change. PBJ was always just a little marketing puff for the program. Why were we so quick to hire Pat Baldwin? Because Braun knew him from Green Bay days? Northwestern was coming off a great run, but Baldwin was not like a wunderkind assistant coach on the rise or anything. What angers me- is I feel like a hiring decision was made with the future of a (at the time) go^mn child on the line. That is shameless, asinine and I am sorry if I am the last to realize that this is what has apparently happened in the BizzaroLand that is now the Milwaukee AD. It's wrong to PBJ to even have anyone affiliated with Milwaukee to have legit thought he might come here (well we did make his "Top 10" but maybe that was in PBS' contract...). I was blinded. Saw past all that. Assumed PBJ was already practicing at the K (I know, I don't understand recruiting rules). I assumed PBS and staff would start executing real basketball plays (YouTube is free). And not this chuck-it/f***-it frantic mad dash where we hope to stay within 5 all game only to lose. Have you seen us dominate anyone once? All season? It starts at the top. Someone needs to be accountable. I ain't buying tickets either after seeing this sh*t. it's obvious next to nobody cares. And yes, body language speaks volumes. Let's get our sh*t together or we'll never build anything that will (a) be successful or (b) last. Something has to change. I could be wrong on this, but didn’t UWM largely outsource the hiring to some outside firm, and that outside firm suggested Pat Baldwin. That's not true. Baldwin was Braun's pick, and hers only.
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SRT4driver
Junior
We Are MILWAUKEE! And I'm all about accountability, unlike '5th Placer' Jeter apologists.
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Post by SRT4driver on Feb 6, 2021 17:34:04 GMT -6
Nope, she's just the fall person/yes-woman for our incompetent administration. Our athletic department basically hasn't allowed there to be a real AD with decision making abilities since Bud. Amanda is simply there to do the bidding of her boss(es). And she's done it perfectly, ever since she was "put in her place" by Mone, aka over-ruled regarding her coaching replacement for Jeter. It's maddening that almost every Panther fan has directed their ire at her for years, which effectively deflects it from the true ruiners of this program - the administration. And that's why Amanda's actually doing a great job in their eyes, and will forever have job security and raises and extensions. In other words, the Amanda haters are as dumb as any sucker can get, but not for the reasons they think I mean ... "Now, an exclusive report on Milwaukee radio station WTMJ’s website says Otzelberger interviewed on April 6 for the head coaching position at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, where Rob Jeter was recently fired. The report went on to say that Otzelberger was told he was the choice of athletic director Amanda Braun, and to plan on bringing his family to Milwaukee for the introductory press conference. The WTMJ report went on to say that university chancellor Mark Mone overruled Braun’s choice of Otzelberger." amp.milforddailynews.com/amp/82961460
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Feb 6, 2021 18:27:26 GMT -6
I don't believe that there's too many left here that don't believe that Braun, Mone, and their collective incompetence aren't an instrument of Madison. I've always believed that.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 6, 2021 19:08:12 GMT -6
If Pat Baldwin is back for a 5th year next year, I'll likely give up my front row season tickets for the first time in over 20 years. Where's the accountability? I demanded this same accountability of Rob Jeter when he was the highest paid coach in the conference after Butler departed the league in the spring of 2012. Jeter had arguably the most talented players in the Horizon League for the 4 years after their departure, and he couldn't manage to once finish better than 5th place of 10 teams in the conference in all of his final 4 seasons at MKE after Butler left. This is no different today. In fact, it is much worse given the level of competition in today's Horizon League! The only difference is the 100 level is the same price as the 200 (main seats) level, starting this year that never happened for fans.
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Post by nickpanther on Feb 9, 2021 22:25:38 GMT -6
I don't believe that there's too many left here that don't believe that Braun, Mone, and their collective incompetence aren't an instrument of Madison. I've always believed that. Why would Bucky give a damn how good or bad we are? They are an elite program, that is basically penciled into the tournament every year . We... aren't. In fact we're about as far away from them, success wise, as the Earth is from Planet Nine ( about 100 billion miles at the closest). They are constantly at or near the top in their conference, we're an afterthought in our own conference.
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Feb 11, 2021 14:36:55 GMT -6
I don't believe that there's too many left here that don't believe that Braun, Mone, and their collective incompetence aren't an instrument of Madison. I've always believed that. Why would Bucky give a damn how good or bad we are? They are an elite program, that is basically penciled into the tournament every year . We... aren't. In fact we're about as far away from them, success wise, as the Earth is from Planet Nine ( about 100 billion miles at the closest). They are constantly at or near the top in their conference, we're an afterthought in our own conference. And why is that?
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Post by nickpanther on Feb 11, 2021 17:12:50 GMT -6
Why would Bucky give a damn how good or bad we are? They are an elite program, that is basically penciled into the tournament every year . We... aren't. In fact we're about as far away from them, success wise, as the Earth is from Planet Nine ( about 100 billion miles at the closest). They are constantly at or near the top in their conference, we're an afterthought in our own conference. And why is that? Several reasons. Money, quality of players, quality of coaching, stability of coaching, support from the university administration, and a far greater national profile . I'm old enough to remember that Bucky didn't make the dance for 47 years between 1947 and 1994.I also remember UWM coming within a handful of free throws from going to 4 straight NCAA tournaments- I remember because I was a student at UWM at the time. So we didn't get where we are, and Bucky didn't become the program they are, overnight. Things have built up, or fallen apart, over time.
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Post by gman2 on Feb 11, 2021 18:08:00 GMT -6
I don't believe that there's too many left here that don't believe that Braun, Mone, and their collective incompetence aren't an instrument of Madison. I've always believed that. Lena Taylor. She wanted to make sure Jeter was replaced with an African American. The best coach available for the position wasn't the first priority.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 11, 2021 18:27:53 GMT -6
We've encountered an almost unfathomable number of roadblocks since Bud Haidet dragged the program kicking and screaming back into Division 1 in 1990.
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Feb 12, 2021 11:47:38 GMT -6
I don't believe that there's too many left here that don't believe that Braun, Mone, and their collective incompetence aren't an instrument of Madison. I've always believed that. Lena Taylor. She wanted to make sure Jeter was replaced with an African American. The best coach available for the position wasn't the first priority. Lena Taylor's saber-rattling led to Lavall Jordan's hiring, not Pat Baldwin's. So, with regards to Jordan, you're absolutely right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 11:56:20 GMT -6
Several reasons. Money, quality of players, quality of coaching, stability of coaching, support from the university administration, and a far greater national profile . I'm old enough to remember that Bucky didn't make the dance for 47 years between 1947 and 1994.I also remember UWM coming within a handful of free throws from going to 4 straight NCAA tournaments- I remember because I was a student at UWM at the time. So we didn't get where we are, and Bucky didn't become the program they are, overnight. Things have built up, or fallen apart, over time. The encapsulation of everything, in a few sentences.
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