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Post by panther9193 on Feb 25, 2020 20:33:19 GMT -6
Care to show your work? Here's a quick rundown of some of the salaries in the Summit League and a few other area mid-majors. I think Jeter's ability to find guys nobody else is looking at would allow him to do really well at a school like WIU, which might actually be making a coaching change...but considering they were uncertain about pulling the trigger last year because of his *whopping* salary, I think lil Pitino would need to get fired for RJ to consider that gig. Eastern Illinois: 160K North Dakota - 180K NDSU - 230K (This is why Ohio was able to take Saul Phillips) Omaha - 180K Purdue Fort Wayne - 175K South Dakota - 265K SDSU - 275K (This is why Wright State was able to take Scott Nagy...and he was making less than this) Western Illinois - 132K Southeast Missouri State - 175K SIU-Edwardsville - 187K Chicago State - 110K Billy Donlon (whose Horizon League record was 1 game different than Jeter's while their tenures overlapped) needed 350K to leave his B1G assistant job and take over Kansas City this year. Money likely plays a big role. (Also, are we really gonna sit here and pretend Jim Whitesell didn't just get the keys to a top mid-major this year? And Ray McCallum was a finalist at another!) I look at it the other way. Schools looking for new coaches don't typically focus ones with .500 career records as their first choice. Could another team go after Jeter as their coach sometime in the future. Sure. All I'm saying is if we made such a HUGE mistake in getting rid of him, another team would've picked him up the same year. ...and although I supported moving on from Jeter, I have nothing against him personally and actually think he's a nice guy. He's just an average head coach and it shouldn't have taken 11 years to realize that (although when you hire AD's from temp agencies, it's somewhat understandable). We should not wait 11 years to figure out Mr. Baldwin. In my opinion, next year should be a make or break year for him. Either there is a drastic improvement or it's time to cut ties. You don't go into a contract year with the future of a head coach in question. Good luck getting commitments from players.
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Post by parkerj on Feb 25, 2020 20:47:56 GMT -6
I don't think we made a HUGE mistake moving on from him. But the way we did it sucked. First, the lack of communication. Then denying the team a postseason that donors were willing to pay for. It created a lot of animosity and bad PR (and also...while I don't care about those tournaments as a fan, there seems to be some indication that they're good to participate in and not doing so when the costs are covered shows a lack of...competence)
If you're confident he's not the guy, let him coach that last year. Avoid the bad PR and losing your top talent.
Also...if you're gonna make the move, have a real plan. I brought up Scott Nagy after the firing...think it's clear by now that would've been a good plan.
It turned out AB's "plan" was to replace 2016 Jeter with a bunch of guys who looked an awful lot like 2005 Jeter.
(I realize you probably don't disagree with this post, I'm just venting lol)
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Post by BBFran on Feb 25, 2020 22:45:13 GMT -6
I get such a sad kick out of people throwing out the idea that Jeter’s tenure was “mediocre.” Do you actually know the history of our program, or the administrative incompetence (and some reported, sabotage) that was constantly in his way? And yet his last three years were an NCAA tournament team, a team that rallied to 9-7 in conference despite the suspension caused by the administrative mistake, and a 20 win season including wins on the road against two Big Ten teams. All in FAR better Horizon Leagues. And a roster that would have returned five high-Major quality players the following year. Oh the mediocrity! ANY of those years would be an insane pipe dream for the program today!
There is literally no way to view Jeter’s tenure as anything but a success in the history of the program except by comparison to one unique four year period, many of whose key players had been recruited by Bo Ryan and — wait for it — Rob Jeter.
But you know what, no matter what you thought of Jeter or his record, you cannot judge the wisdom of his firing in some theoretical vacuum of “surely there was a better coach out there.” It was insanely obvious EVEN THEN that the incompetents running our program had no ability to GET such a coach nor to support him if they did, which they obviously did not!! What a very, very, very few people still don’t seem to appreciate is that Jeter succeeded in spite of the administrative incompetence if not enmity he endured. The chance that those same incompetents would find a coach who could succeed AT ALL in that environment was effectively zero.
So go ahead and comfort yourself that you weren’t wrong, really, really, because Jeter was “mediocre” in your view. But thanks to the fact that the AD agreed with you (or claimed to) expect to enjoy consistent losing low major seasons with a few hundred other fans for the foreseeable future.
But look at the bright side: you’ll never have to get in an argument about whether the Jordan/Baldwin era is mediocre. Nobody could even pretend it rises to that level.
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