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Post by PantherU on Feb 28, 2017 14:00:07 GMT -6
news.uwlax.edu/five-building-projects-at-uw-l-approved/ . Not Walker's job (in my opinion) to give your desired college team a new sports practice facility. His job is to look out for the interest of tax payers at large...I would love to see this team return to former glory, but it's not the governors job (nor state taxpayers job) to do that. It's the University admin's job, and our job as fans and donors. AD should be seeking out donations from alumni aggressively, and the student funding is a good start. Yeah, the university should be run like a business. Why haven't they built up some big rainy day fund? Jeez... Investing in this facility isn't about giving some fans a better hoops team. It's about marketing the university. Athletics is the marketing arm of higher education, whether people like it or not. We need a good basketball team to attract and retain students. This has been proven to be true at every level of Division I, private or public. It's been proven here. The university needs to market itself, and the best way to do that is through a successful basketball program. By the way, that's also how the athletic department not only digs itself out of the hole it has in debt (I should remind everyone it owes most of the debt to the university, which is as mind-numbingly stupid as owing money to your wife), but how it becomes self-sustaining. The simple practice facility they want to build will eliminate the facilities problem we've talked about ad nauseum in the program. If they went above and beyond - say, $25 million - they could find their program among the elite mid-majors. You know, the schools we constantly name when we talk about what we want to do. It's in the taxpayers' interest that our basketball program is successful and our athletic department is self-sustaining. |
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Post by Pantherholic on Feb 28, 2017 14:47:09 GMT -6
news.uwlax.edu/five-building-projects-at-uw-l-approved/ . Not Walker's job (in my opinion) to give your desired college team a new sports practice facility. His job is to look out for the interest of tax payers at large...I would love to see this team return to former glory, but it's not the governors job (nor state taxpayers job) to do that. It's the University admin's job, and our job as fans and donors. AD should be seeking out donations from alumni aggressively, and the student funding is a good start. I agree on not giving handouts for projects like the practice facility. The problem is it's being funded through program revenue just like La Crosse did at no expense to the tax payer and he still won't approve it. |
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Post by panthercpa on Feb 28, 2017 15:00:25 GMT -6
Sports is the best way to market a university, and give students/alumni/prospective students a sense of school spirit...very difficult not to agree with this. My contention is that it is incumbent upon the admin to allocate university funds/fund-raise/justify more funds accordingly, as opposed to the governor and legislature just giving more $$.
But, if you can quantify how this practice facility would be revenue neutral in the long-term, or in the best interest of state taxpayers at large, you'd have a very good case for receiving support for additional state funds, in my opinion. It's one thing to say it'll make the athletic department self sustaining, its another to show feasible forecasts showing how this is possible/probable. I think that might be more constructive than slinging mud at the governor/legislature.
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Post by Pantherholic on Feb 28, 2017 18:04:53 GMT -6
My contention is that it is incumbent upon the admin to allocate university funds/fund-raise/justify more funds accordingly, as opposed to the governor and legislature just giving more $$. They are. In fact, they were asking for less $ than in 2015. |
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Post by mkehoops on Feb 28, 2017 18:18:26 GMT -6
Sports is the best way to market a university, and give students/alumni/prospective students a sense of school spirit...very difficult not to agree with this. My contention is that it is incumbent upon the admin to allocate university funds/fund-raise/justify more funds accordingly, as opposed to the governor and legislature just giving more $$. But, if you can quantify how this practice facility would be revenue neutral in the long-term, or in the best interest of state taxpayers at large, you'd have a very good case for receiving support for additional state funds, in my opinion. It's one thing to say it'll make the athletic department self sustaining, its another to show feasible forecasts showing how this is possible/probable. I think that might be more constructive than slinging mud at the governor/legislature. Jimmy's reasoning is spot on. The problem is that our administration, the board of regents and the state legislation do not feel the same way. Our chancellor and the rest of the big wigs need to buy in on athletics before they ask our governor and state legislators to do so. |
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Post by panthercpa on Feb 28, 2017 18:46:41 GMT -6
www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2017/02/17/uwm-seeks-33m-for-urgent-sandburg-hall-projects.html From the link above: The decision to delay the practice-facility request was based on the likelihood that bonding will be limited in the next state budget and the greater urgency of the Sandburg Hall project, Luljak said. “It was determined that UWM needed to delay the basketball practice facility project in order to best position Sandburg for approval in the 2017-2019 capital budget,” Luljak said via email. It is possible the basketball facility still could receive funding in the 2017-2019 biennium through the UW System but not the main state budget, Luljak said. Ok, they are asking for less than 2015...not sure what that proves out. It appears they are prioritizing dorms ahead of the facility (right or wrong - no idea). So, its an admin allocation issue. Not sure where the state gov is being unreasonable. I want our team to have top of the line facilities, but we all know it isn't revenue neutral (at least I've seen no evidence of this), and I don't believe we're being wronged by the governor and legislature, that's all I'm saying.
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Post by Pantherholic on Feb 28, 2017 20:16:02 GMT -6
Ok, they are asking for less than 2015...not sure what that proves out. You said, "it is incumbent upon the admin to allocate university funds/fund-raise/justify more funds accordingly" and they are doing that. They were able to ask for less money this last time around by allocating available university funds. I want our team to have top of the line facilities, but we all know it isn't revenue neutral (at least I've seen no evidence of this), and I don't believe we're being wronged by the governor and legislature, that's all I'm saying. The construction of the project is at no cost to the taxpayer and any program's revenue stream has nothing to do with approving/rejecting the projects. |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 1, 2017 12:22:20 GMT -6
I think what he's saying is that there are continuous maintenance costs for such a facility.
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Post by uwm80 on Mar 6, 2017 23:46:20 GMT -6
Only way it will get done is with private money. Look at the baseball program, only D-1 program in the state, and no one gives a crap that they play at that run-down ballpark. All the state schools that play in the WIAC have better athletic facilities than Milwaukee. University admin and this AD need to take fund raising more seriously. Nobody in Madison wants to do anything for Milwaukee either.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 7, 2017 8:14:45 GMT -6
Only way it will get done is with private money. Look at the baseball program, only D-1 program in the state, and no one gives a crap that they play at that run-down ballpark. All the state schools that play in the WIAC have better athletic facilities than Milwaukee. University admin and this AD need to take fund raising more seriously. Nobody in Madison wants to do anything for Milwaukee either. For the sake of this team, I'm not going to say what the university administration needs to do to fix fundraising. I'm calling for a moratorium on all infighting today. Don't even try and draw out the other side with comments. It's about the kids on the court and the guys on the bench. |
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Post by uwm80 on Mar 7, 2017 9:12:16 GMT -6
Only way it will get done is with private money. Look at the baseball program, only D-1 program in the state, and no one gives a crap that they play at that run-down ballpark. All the state schools that play in the WIAC have better athletic facilities than Milwaukee. University admin and this AD need to take fund raising more seriously. Nobody in Madison wants to do anything for Milwaukee either. For the sake of this team, I'm not going to say what the university administration needs to do to fix fundraising. I'm calling for a moratorium on all infighting today. Don't even try and draw out the other side with comments. It's about the kids on the court and the guys on the bench. My intention is not to cause a fight. Real simple, university needs to take the initiative to make things happen for itself. Waiting around for the politicians in Madison is just a waste of time. They are in no hurry to do anything for our city, let alone the university. |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 10, 2017 11:22:01 GMT -6
For the sake of this team, I'm not going to say what the university administration needs to do to fix fundraising. I'm calling for a moratorium on all infighting today. Don't even try and draw out the other side with comments. It's about the kids on the court and the guys on the bench. My intention is not to cause a fight. Real simple, university needs to take the initiative to make things happen for itself. Waiting around for the politicians in Madison is just a waste of time. They are in no hurry to do anything for our city, let alone the university. I wish I could like this post a million times. |
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Post by MKEPanthers45 on Mar 15, 2017 14:33:01 GMT -6
Pretty cool that Butler was shooting around in our current "Practice Facility" today haha.
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Post by PantherNation on Mar 23, 2018 6:14:27 GMT -6
Anyone have an account for the Biz Journal that can post the entire article?
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Mar 23, 2018 7:18:02 GMT -6
If you bring the page up, it will be up for a second or two. You can Print Screen on your computer and read it. It takes a couple of times to get the whole thing.
-New proposal would be paid with contributions and student segregated fees.
-Latest proposal eliminates the offices, that would remain in the Pavilion. Shrinks the project size from 31,000 square feet to 16,000. Cost around $6 to $7 million.
-Area they are looking at is the land now occupied by the Norris Heath Center, which is closed.
-Final approval could be July in 2019.
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