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Post by theDarkHawkReturns on Mar 23, 2016 18:28:42 GMT -6
Of course it is an attractive job... 1. It's one of only 351 jobs in the country. So are UIC, McNee St., Chicago St and a bunch of others...I haven't heard a lot of buzz about getting those jobs.2. There is a history of success & and coaches moving on to larger schools. Yeah....except it's a history of 1 - Bruce Pearl - who then got another NCAA Show Cause for cheating. Bo left not because he lit the world on fire here, but because he was ALWAYS going to be the HC in Madison after Bennett left (which is why Soderberg was "interim head coach" when Bennett quit 3 games into the season). The Coach after Pearl just got fired, as did the one before Bo. Not what I would call a long history there.3. It is in a large market - Actually we are a medium market, and as mid-majors go, more fairly we are in a small market because we are competing with UW and MU, which is very hard. Success on the court improves that, but the market is NOT a given. And again, UIC and Chicago St. are in bigger markets with LESS media competition.4. You play home games in a beautiful arena (that is going to see continued improvements) - The Panther Arena is great, I agree whole heartedly...but that is just for home games. For practice you have to schedule around Ultimate Frisbee and Co-Ed Kick Ball.5. A state of the art practice facility will likely be built within the next four years. - Oh, it will now, will it? Pray tell, who is paying for that and where exactly is it going to be built? Show me the money and the plan....with the commitments to executing them, and I will revise my position, but for now this is still just a hope.6. You we likely have a foreign trip in the next two seasons. A huge key for recruiting. - Unless Amanda says "No" again...and it's not like we are unique in the foreign trip thing....everywhere but Milwaukee, those things are kind of a given. That's like telling a a coach he gets all the water he wants.7. It would likely be a large pay increase for a D1 assistant or lower level coach - Maybe...maybe not. Depends on how much money Amanda blew last week, and how many donors are left to help pay a big salary. It could be we end up with a pay scale at HC similar to an Iowa St. top assistant....in fact I would bet it will be right now without Nicholas et. Al. in the fold.It took me 30 seconds to come up with 7 good reasons. I'm sure there are many many many more. When coaches leave or are fired players are going to leave and recruits will de-commit. That's the way it works. It's not the end of the world that some you guys are making it out to be. - You are right...turnover on the roster is expected after a firing....but not en masse, with the said players calling the AD a liar on television, repeatedly. Nor do they say things like Akeem did in the paper. This is, as I have said, a 5 alarm dumpster fire.
If you want the Milwaukee job to be attractive, you have to address what you can from the list above, because those are the realities. You need: - Happy donors
- A commitment to build a practice facility, not a just a hope to
- An administration (at the university level) with a demonstrated desire to grow the program
- An AD who is well respected and trustworthy
All but the practice facility can be immediately addressed by the University, and I hope it is. If it is, then we have a limitless future and can hire the top candidates when we need to.
Which is what I want. My problem isn't that I don't want success. My problem is that the people in charge are the ones who are preventing success, and I want THAT changed.
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Post by mkehoops on Mar 23, 2016 18:50:37 GMT -6
Of course it is an attractive job... 1. It's one of only 351 jobs in the country. So are UIC, McNee St., Chicago St and a bunch of others...I haven't heard a lot of buzz about getting those jobs.2. There is a history of success & and coaches moving on to larger schools. Yeah....except it's a history of 1 - Bruce Pearl - who then got another NCAA Show Cause for cheating. Bo left not because he lit the world on fire here, but because he was ALWAYS going to be the HC in Madison after Bennett left (which is why Soderberg was "interim head coach" when Bennett quit 3 games into the season). The Coach after Pearl just got fired, as did the one before Bo. Not what I would call a long history there.3. It is in a large market - Actually we are a medium market, and as mid-majors go, more fairly we are in a small market because we are competing with UW and MU, which is very hard. Success on the court improves that, but the market is NOT a given. And again, UIC and Chicago St. are in bigger markets with LESS media competition.4. You play home games in a beautiful arena (that is going to see continued improvements) - The Panther Arena is great, I agree whole heartedly...but that is just for home games. For practice you have to schedule around Ultimate Frisbee and Co-Ed Kick Ball.5. A state of the art practice facility will likely be built within the next four years. - Oh, it will now, will it? Pray tell, who is paying for that and where exactly is it going to be built? Show me the money and the plan....with the commitments to executing them, and I will revise my position, but for now this is still just a hope.6. You we likely have a foreign trip in the next two seasons. A huge key for recruiting. - Unless Amanda says "No" again...and it's not like we are unique in the foreign trip thing....everywhere but Milwaukee, those things are kind of a given. That's like telling a a coach he gets all the water he wants.7. It would likely be a large pay increase for a D1 assistant or lower level coach - Maybe...maybe not. Depends on how much money Amanda blew last week, and how many donors are left to help pay a big salary. It could be we end up with a pay scale at HC similar to an Iowa St. top assistant....in fact I would bet it will be right now without Nicholas et. Al. in the fold.It took me 30 seconds to come up with 7 good reasons. I'm sure there are many many many more. When coaches leave or are fired players are going to leave and recruits will de-commit. That's the way it works. It's not the end of the world that some you guys are making it out to be. - You are right...turnover on the roster is expected after a firing....but not en masse, with the said players calling the AD a liar on television, repeatedly. Nor do they say things like Akeem did in the paper. This is, as I have said, a 5 alarm dumpster fire.
If you want the Milwaukee job to be attractive, you have to address what you can from the list above, because those are the realities. You need: - Happy donors
- A commitment to build a practice facility, not a just a hope to
- An administration (at the university level) with a demonstrated desire to grow the program
- An AD who is well respected and trustworthy
All but the practice facility can be immediately addressed by the University, and I hope it is. If it is, then we have a limitless future and can hire the top candidates when we need to.
Which is what I want. My problem isn't that I don't want success. My problem is that the people in charge are the ones who are preventing success, and I want THAT changed.
The fact that you just compared us to Chicago St shows where your head is at. THEIR ENTIRE SCHOOL IS ON THE VERGE OF CLOSING!!!! No one on here can argue that our head coaching position is at the very least a top 200 job. |
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Post by parkerj on Mar 23, 2016 18:51:31 GMT -6
I'm hoping for a guy with HC experience. That formula has worked well for us. Otzelberger's recruiting is intriguing, but at our level I'd prefer somebody who can definitely run a program.
Unless an established, elite coach opted to cut his salary by 80%, I don't think we're near a position where we'd be able to avoid recruiting a guy for a year only to lose him to one of the big boys at the 11th hour.
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Post by MKEPanthers45 on Mar 23, 2016 19:15:14 GMT -6
I like Otzelberger because he has plenty of experience at big time and successful programs, his in game coaching may take time to develop, but so will any assistant coach's. I think he is one of the few people who can sell this program to recruits. I mean look at the caliber of players he's recruited to Iowa State. Which by all means it is a great program, but it is still in Ames, Iowa and isn't exactly known as an NBA factory... He also has all the local ties which are a huge positive.
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Post by parkerj on Mar 23, 2016 20:01:01 GMT -6
My concern is that outside of Madison probably being a more interesting place to go to college than Ames, pretty much everything there could've also been said about Jeter before he came here.
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 23, 2016 20:25:19 GMT -6
Completely agree with Parker. There really isn't much difference in Jeter's resume before he was hired compared to Otzleberger's now. So why go down that road again? I'd prefer a guy who's run a program before.
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Post by claytuckerforever on Mar 23, 2016 21:00:57 GMT -6
In my opinion big difference of establishing a recruiting base in Wisconsin for a program like Iowa State which never had a recruiting presence in Wisconsin pre TJ, compared to recruiting any kid to come to Madison from Wisconsin.
Where there is smoke there is fire with these Lena Taylor tweets about TJ....Braun still has to go though foregoing a foreign trip because of budget cuts when you have private funding is asinine.
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Post by MKEPanthers45 on Mar 23, 2016 21:23:52 GMT -6
Reading articles on TJ and I like him more and more. Apparently his parents still live in Milwaukee. Gotta think that would be a pretty big draw for just about anybody.
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Post by parkerj on Mar 23, 2016 21:32:13 GMT -6
In my opinion big difference of establishing a recruiting base in Wisconsin for a program like Iowa State which never had a recruiting presence in Wisconsin pre TJ, compared to recruiting any kid to come to Madison from Wisconsin. But Wisconsin didn't have that kind of stranglehold on the state when Jeter was there. That developed over the course of Bo's ridiculous run at UW. |
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Post by gomkepanthers on Mar 23, 2016 21:45:43 GMT -6
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