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Post by brewcityitalian on Nov 28, 2011 19:09:23 GMT -6
Has their ever been any drawings or images of a UWM Football stadium ? Also, would anybody know where to get imgaes of Miller park with a football field ? I know the original design was suppose to have football before the packers decided to stop playing in Milwaukee if anybody has those designs or images please post them i found one for prarie view a &m, just gotta take out their name ijn one end zone, get rid of the colors and replace it with UWm and black and yellow and its done 3.bp.blogspot.com/_aXwvjOCyM24/TE-gT6Ueb0I/AAAAAAAAOTI/eBepHjMoAr0/s400/PVAMU+new+stadium1.jpgthanks
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mwu
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Post by mwu on Nov 28, 2011 23:13:17 GMT -6
To my knowledge, there have been no thesis projects on a football specific stadium for the University. There were a few on MLS stadia in and around downtown, 3rd, and 5th wards. The Miller Park we know of was never intended to be able to accommodate football. If a field were able to be shoe-horned in there it would likely look like the field in Wrigley last year, with an unusable endzone. Not to mention the crappy sight lines. I have old brewer programs from the mid 90s that show concepts of baseball only stadia, I would doubt that the club was ever interested in sharing their "turf" with the Pack. edit: I found these sites for you... www.stadiumsofprofootball.com/past/CountyStadium.htmwiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/facilities/marquette_stadium
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Post by illwauk on Nov 29, 2011 16:01:09 GMT -6
A football field >could< fit in at Miller Park... its dimensions are larger than County Stadium's and wouldn't be nearly as bad as the girdiron at Wrigley, but it would still be far from ideal and would still have the sight line problems that plagued County Stadium. If a Milwaukee football team ever played at Miller Park, it would have to be temporary while a permanent stadium was being built. Anyway, I think Towson University has a very nice facility that could be used as a template for Milwaukee.
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Post by PantherU on Nov 29, 2011 16:08:03 GMT -6
I would be against building a 12,000-seat football stadium. We would pack it, and would absolutely be giving up the possibility of being a I-A program off the bat.
Whether we're going to play I-AA in the MVC forever or eventually move to I-A in the MAC or elsewhere, I'd prefer for the Panthers to play in a 20,000-25,000-seat stadium, in accordance with the higher end of I-AA FCS.
A stadium like Towson's would need to be completely replaced if we were to move up or get bigger. A 20,000-seat grandstand with a 5,000-seat bleacher section on the opposite sideline is the base for a 50-60k stadium should our program ever get to that level.
You want the 20,000-seat grandstand, because it's great for a high-end I-AA program all the way up to a program the level of Pitt and Cincy - because it's expandable in the end zones, on the opposite (5k) bleacher section, in the corners...
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Post by illwauk on Nov 29, 2011 17:45:32 GMT -6
I was talking pure aesthetics... I'd definitely agree that 20,000 seems just about right for a Panther football stadium (with expansion in mind, of course).
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mwu
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I am U-Dub U-M
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Post by mwu on Nov 30, 2011 0:39:22 GMT -6
A football field >could< fit in at Miller Park... its dimensions are larger than County Stadium's and wouldn't be nearly as bad as the girdiron at Wrigley... As a spectator, would you agree that Miller Park has a greater sense of intimacy compared to what existed in County Stadium? This is achieved by bringing fans closer to the action, stands hugging the foul lines and limiting foul ball territory. To illustrate my point see the below diagrams I drew up: Option 1: Notice the multiple parabolic curves used to create the infield seating layout. Compared to County which used a singular and flatter curve. So In this iteration all the corners are cut off posing hazards in the back of the end-zones. Also the seats are poorly aligned to the field. Option 2: The seats are in the best configuration possible in this option. There are minimal cuts into the field boundaries here, but I didn't feel like figuring out the bump out for the Air-Tran pen in right field which would cut into the footprint. Also, notice how close the walls are to the playing field from the 30yd line all the way around the opposite side of the east end-zone. That would pose a hazard to players leaving the field. Something the NCAA/conference (X) would not allow, and would enforce a rule similar to that of Wrigley last year (offense in 1 direction only). So even though the fence dimensions may be larger in Miller Park than County, it's the configuration of the seating bowl which are the constraints here.
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Post by Hack on Nov 30, 2011 7:33:35 GMT -6
While I applaud you guys for taking the time to figure out how a football field would work in Miller Park, there's no way in hell the Brewers/Stadium District would ever allow it.
No way are they going to permit football to tear up the field in August, September and October.
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Post by BBFran on Nov 30, 2011 9:20:11 GMT -6
What Hack said.
If football ever returns to Milwaukee, its first game will have to be in a new stadium. Right now, there is not a single venue in the Milwaukee area that could host a D1 college football game.
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Post by PantherU on Nov 30, 2011 10:07:09 GMT -6
What Hack said. If football ever returns to Milwaukee, its first game will have to be in a new stadium. Right now, there is not a single venue in the Milwaukee area that could host a D1 college football game. If we are married to a current stadium in the area, then a reconfigured Milwaukee Mile is the only thing that makes any sense. And even that really doesn't. Football needs to be a campus event, just like basketball does, and building a stadium in the Cambridge Commons to Riverside HS corridor is the best way to go.
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mwu
Sophomore
I am U-Dub U-M
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Post by mwu on Nov 30, 2011 11:18:06 GMT -6
I completely agree, the brewers freak out about the grass when concerts are held. Football would be out of the question. Maybe when I'm finished with my Thesis Book I'll get around to designing a stadium for the Dboard.
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Post by Hack on Nov 30, 2011 11:37:38 GMT -6
I completely agree, the brewers freak out about the grass when concerts are held. Football would be out of the question. We did a photo shoot on the field a few years ago. You could not stand on the grass for a prolonged period of time, and if you had to absolutely be on the grass you had to walk a straight line to the spot where you needed to be. All of this while a grounds crew member supervised.
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Post by PantherU on Nov 30, 2011 12:55:51 GMT -6
I completely agree, the brewers freak out about the grass when concerts are held. Football would be out of the question. We did a photo shoot on the field a few years ago. You could not stand on the grass for a prolonged period of time, and if you had to absolutely be on the grass you had to walk a straight line to the spot where you needed to be. All of this while a grounds crew member supervised. I once had lunch with a couple friends on an off-day at the Front Row Fridays (miss their discount) and we watched a tour go underneath us along the warning track. A guy went out onto the grass for a second and the tour guide said "Sir, please don't step on the grass, the grounds crew doesn't like it." Yikes.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Nov 30, 2011 13:01:36 GMT -6
I'm glad I'm not the only one that gets mad when people step on my grass at my house.
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dutchpthr
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Post by dutchpthr on Nov 30, 2011 14:40:06 GMT -6
As mwu showed, Miller Park was never designed to hold any other sport other then baseball, it was a direct function and idea of the Brewer front office at the time of planning the design for Miller Park, and when the Packers backed out of playing in Milwaukee the Brewers made more of an effort to create a single use facility. Also adding the AirTran landing zone made sure of a football field not fitting in the field of play without having to remove walls or anything.
Playing any other game then baseball there is a total pipe dream I would highly doubt we ever see any other event there other then maybe a concert similar to Farm Aid last year when the baseball season is over and the field can be protected with that white mesh-like material stuff they laid down on the grass.
The only hope for a field to play football on in Milwaukee would need to be done somewhere other then Miller Park.
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Post by illwauk on Nov 30, 2011 17:02:31 GMT -6
Option 2: The seats are in the best configuration possible in this option. There are minimal cuts into the field boundaries here, but I didn't feel like figuring out the bump out for the Air-Tran pen in right field which would cut into the footprint. Also, notice how close the walls are to the playing field from the 30yd line all the way around the opposite side of the east end-zone. That would pose a hazard to players leaving the field. Something the NCAA/conference (X) would not allow, and would enforce a rule similar to that of Wrigley last year (offense in 1 direction only). So even though the fence dimensions may be larger in Miller Park than County, it's the configuration of the seating bowl which are the constraints here. If a football game were ever held at Miller Park, this would be the only way to make it work. There would be barely enough room for a playing surface, but it wouldn't be any worse than County Stadium (see below) and they were always able to use both end zones. Either way, it's a moot point because the Brewers aren't likely to allow Miller Park to be used for anything besides baseball again.
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