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Post by BBFran on Mar 17, 2012 12:35:25 GMT -6
Sam Dekker? Really? I would say that's highly debatable... Agree. Do you know something that is not public knowledge, Fran? Lou, I hope you and the others who were incredulous about what I was saying about Sam Dekker a year ago had a chance to watch the D5 final today. Tokoto is a damn good prospect. Sam Dekker might end up as the best player ever to come out of Wisconsin.
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Post by JG Panthers on Mar 17, 2012 13:34:35 GMT -6
Agree. Do you know something that is not public knowledge, Fran? Lou, I hope you and the others who were incredulous about what I was saying about Sam Dekker a year ago had a chance to watch the D5 final today. Tokoto is a damn good prospect. Sam Dekker might end up as the best player ever to come out of Wisconsin. Touché Fran. I still believe Tokoto has far more upside, but if you ask me, Sam Dekker is easily the best Senior in the state. Not far behind him might be Zak Showalter.
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Post by The Green Gull on Mar 17, 2012 14:05:51 GMT -6
Lou, I hope you and the others who were incredulous about what I was saying about Sam Dekker a year ago had a chance to watch the D5 final today. Tokoto is a damn good prospect. Sam Dekker might end up as the best player ever to come out of Wisconsin. That’s quite the praise for a kid that plays in division 5 of the WIAA and hasn’t even graduated high school yet. Time will tell.
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 17, 2012 14:37:18 GMT -6
Sam Dekker broke my heart today.
Bo has serious talent headed to Madison with Dekker, Showalter and Koenig.
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Post by The Green Gull on Mar 17, 2012 19:55:17 GMT -6
yeah, but can he coach?
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Post by royalty414 on Mar 19, 2012 18:36:13 GMT -6
Sorry. Still not convinced that Dekker will be that great. It's easy to look good when you have a 4 inch height advantage over everyone you play in D5 basketball in this state. At this point, Diamond Stone will be the best player to ever come from this state when it's all said and done... and he's only a freshman. Dekker needs to do a lot more to impress me. We'll see if he can have an impact as a freshman in the Big 10 next year. As for Tokoto... he's decent. They're both vastly overrated IMO
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Post by GB BB is Back! on Mar 19, 2012 19:08:09 GMT -6
Agree. Do you know something that is not public knowledge, Fran? Lou, I hope you and the others who were incredulous about what I was saying about Sam Dekker a year ago had a chance to watch the D5 final today. Tokoto is a damn good prospect. Sam Dekker might end up as the best player ever to come out of Wisconsin. Dekker wasn't even the best player at the state tournament. That was Duane Wison. Wilson scored on Cuba City like they weren't even there. Yes, the same Cuba City team that I watched hold Dekker to 13 points earlier in the year. Wilson is just a junior. Dekker has great length and hops, but lacks toughness, and has poor shot selection. He doesn't pass well. He can do some amazing things, but also has numerous holes in his game that are hid by playing against D5 competition. Zak Showalter is a very impressive player, it's almost unfair that UW gets him as a walk-on. He is better than a number of scholarship players recruited to UW by Greg Gard. Diamond Stone has awesome potential. Luke Fischer is a solid player, but I'm surprised he isn't a bigger defensive presence. Matt Thomas is extremely polished, but not an exciting athlete. He had trouble getting open shots versus HS competition. Cam Ward is an interesting player, he has enough quickness to be a D1 PG, and is an outstanding shooter.
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 19, 2012 20:03:31 GMT -6
Racine Lutheran's tallest player is 6'3", and Dekker was guarded by a 6'0" guard the entire game. It was a great shot to win it, no question, and he had a great game (and season). But he won't have guys 8" shorter than him guarding him in the Big 10. I actually think he'll redshirt next season as the guy is a beanpole and he'll need serious weightroom work (at least 25 pounds if muscle).
To echo the above comments, Duane Wilson is a force. Saw him play twice last season and he's as quick and physical as any HS guard I've seen in a long time. He can shoot it and elevate over guys on his jumper. He's more ready-made now than Dekker; you put Wilson on Sheboygan's squad in place of Dekker and Wilson averages at least as many points.
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Post by BBFran on Mar 19, 2012 21:56:39 GMT -6
Dekker is the best prospect I have seen at the state tournament since Sam Okey. Maybe the best I have seen since Jimmy Chones. Fortunately, he's about as different personally from Okey as a kid could be. Wilson is a good prospect. Tokoto is a damn good prospect. But Dekker is the sure bet. The state has never had a guy of Sam's height, length and athleticism who has as diverse and polished a set of skills. Ballhandling, shooting, passing, vision. Yes, playing against D1 athletes will be very different. But in the best AAU tournaments in the country last summer Sam was drawing raves against them all.
And top his immense skills off with that touch of genius that the best players have in how they see the game, and the quality to take over when they have to. I don't oversell high school kids. This kid is the real deal.
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Post by uwmplanner on Mar 20, 2012 9:05:58 GMT -6
Sorry. Still not convinced that Dekker will be that great. It's easy to look good when you have a 4 inch height advantage over everyone you play in D5 basketball in this state. At this point, Diamond Stone will be the best player to ever come from this state when it's all said and done... and he's only a freshman. Dekker needs to do a lot more to impress me. We'll see if he can have an impact as a freshman in the Big 10 next year. As for Tokoto... he's decent. They're both vastly overrated IMO Interesting comment on Stone I've heard the same thing about Korie Lucious as an 8th grader and Tokoto as a Freshman but neither quite panned out that way. Stone has a ton of potential but there is still alot of time left before he finishes high school. I was impressed with the quality of talent at the state tourney. Dekker has a ton of ability but there was also Wilson, Stone, and Showalter that were impressive.
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 20, 2012 10:27:58 GMT -6
Dekker better learn to defend at Wisconsin or he'll be on the bench. Let's just say that aspect of his game is underdeveloped.
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Post by royalty414 on Mar 20, 2012 15:41:48 GMT -6
Sorry. Still not convinced that Dekker will be that great. It's easy to look good when you have a 4 inch height advantage over everyone you play in D5 basketball in this state. At this point, Diamond Stone will be the best player to ever come from this state when it's all said and done... and he's only a freshman. Dekker needs to do a lot more to impress me. We'll see if he can have an impact as a freshman in the Big 10 next year. As for Tokoto... he's decent. They're both vastly overrated IMO Interesting comment on Stone I've heard the same thing about Korie Lucious as an 8th grader and Tokoto as a Freshman but neither quite panned out that way. Stone has a ton of potential but there is still alot of time left before he finishes high school. I was impressed with the quality of talent at the state tourney. Dekker has a ton of ability but there was also Wilson, Stone, and Showalter that were impressive. I know Korie personally and grew up with him. His biggest problem was (and still is) that he wants to be too much of a shooting guard and never took the time to learn to play point guard. From 5th grade - 8th grade, he was invited to take part in Tom Crean's basketball camp at Marquette every summer and he was always coddled by his AAU team (which led to his tranfser from King to Pius). Nobody ever coached him to be a true point guard. Jim Gosz at King tried, but Korie tuned him out. Diamond Stone is much more coachable and just want to be the best player he can be. He's already almost 6'10" and if he does get to be 7'0" or taller, he'll be a top 10 recruit in the nation by the time he's a senior. But you're right... time will tell
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 20, 2012 20:04:41 GMT -6
Speaking of Duane Wilson, Buzz has pulled off another in-state recruiting coup. I love that he and Bo are keeping the top-shelf state talent home, Tokoto notwithstanding. Marquette is a great fit for Wilson's game and he's going to have a hell of a career there. And if Stone develops and Wilson recruits him to MU...........sh*t.
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Post by uwmball on Mar 30, 2012 8:03:29 GMT -6
Lou, I hope you and the others who were incredulous about what I was saying about Sam Dekker a year ago had a chance to watch the D5 final today. Tokoto is a damn good prospect. Sam Dekker might end up as the best player ever to come out of Wisconsin. Dekker wasn't even the best player at the state tournament. That was Duane Wison. Wilson scored on Cuba City like they weren't even there. Yes, the same Cuba City team that I watched hold Dekker to 13 points earlier in the year. Wilson is just a junior. Dekker has great length and hops, but lacks toughness, and has poor shot selection. He doesn't pass well. He can do some amazing things, but also has numerous holes in his game that are hid by playing against D5 competition.Zak Showalter is a very impressive player, it's almost unfair that UW gets him as a walk-on. He is better than a number of scholarship players recruited to UW by Greg Gard. Diamond Stone has awesome potential. Luke Fischer is a solid player, but I'm surprised he isn't a bigger defensive presence. Matt Thomas is extremely polished, but not an exciting athlete. He had trouble getting open shots versus HS competition. Cam Ward is an interesting player, he has enough quickness to be a D1 PG, and is an outstanding shooter. I hope your kidding. Bo Ryan made comparisons of Dekker to Pistol Pete. Unbelievable vision for a 6'8" kid. Bo said he's been waiting 30 years to get a player that can do the things Sam does. Does this sound like something Bo would just say to get a recruit? Sam will end up being a very, very good player. He wasn't expected to play tough, hard nosed defense at the high school level. If he did, he would: 1. be in foul trouble. 2. Not have energy to score and be as productive offensively. 3. Possibly not be able to play the full 40 minutes. Dekker did just fine defensively during the AAU season. Obviously this is an area that Bo Ryan expects quite a bit out of his players, and I think Dekker will turn into a very solid defender. Dekker is as tough as nails, and a flat out gamer. I'm not sure where some of you have formulated your opinions, but Dekker will be an awesome player at UW in the very near future.
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Rawls
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Post by Rawls on Mar 31, 2012 14:46:53 GMT -6
Congrats to J.P.
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