Rawls
Junior
Everyone's Entitled To My Opinion
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Post by Rawls on Mar 4, 2011 12:34:09 GMT -6
All I have to say is I hope Tokoto never took any enjoyment from UW athletics. If he did he just turned his back on them, maybe this is just my point of view because I would take a bullett for Bucky. When you are raised a Badger and you get a chance to play for UW then you should go to UW. I don't get your logic. So did you cheer for Jason Bohannon? Based on your logic he should have went to Iowa because his dad was a football star there and he grew up following Iowa. I say let the kid make his own decision, he doesn't owe UW athletics anything. J.P also gets to play with one of his best friends and fellow Tarheel recruit Marcus Paige. I follow Duke, so worst of luck to J.P. Well, I'm sure J.P. wanted to be successful at the next level, so he logically went with UNC. Go Heels (after Panthers).
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damasa
Sophomore
KFC: Kick From Chuck. What else do you need?
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Post by damasa on Mar 4, 2011 12:45:14 GMT -6
All I have to say is I hope Tokoto never took any enjoyment from UW athletics. If he did he just turned his back on them, maybe this is just my point of view because I would take a bullett for Bucky. When you are raised a Badger and you get a chance to play for UW then you should go to UW. Couldn't disagree more. At this level, players need to consider all their options instead of simply going with the team they were a fan of growing up. Sometimes going with that team makes sense and sometimes it doesn't.
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Post by duck on Mar 4, 2011 13:34:00 GMT -6
All I have to say is I hope Tokoto never took any enjoyment from UW athletics. If he did he just turned his back on them, maybe this is just my point of view because I would take a bullett for Bucky. When you are raised a Badger and you get a chance to play for UW then you should go to UW. You mean if you're indoctrinated as a Badger from age 0 to 17 you should follow in lock step? Sounds pretty sinister to me. How about allowing a young man to see the world and realize that Wisconsin, as nice as it is, is a speck of dust compared to what else is out there to be experienced. Good for Tokoto and breaking the INDOCTRINATION.
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kcwhite
Redshirt
Relocated to Texas, still try to keep up with the black and gold.
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Post by kcwhite on Mar 4, 2011 13:37:07 GMT -6
All I have to say is I hope Tokoto never took any enjoyment from UW athletics. If he did he just turned his back on them, maybe this is just my point of view because I would take a bullett for Bucky. When you are raised a Badger and you get a chance to play for UW then you should go to UW. This is our fan base. +1 To root for Wisky to do well is one thing. To state that you would take a bullet for them is another.
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Post by JG Panthers on Mar 4, 2011 13:40:23 GMT -6
Wisconsin already has a better player committed in the same class. Sam Dekker? Really? I would say that's highly debatable...
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Post by PantherLou on Mar 4, 2011 13:51:51 GMT -6
Wisconsin already has a better player committed in the same class. Sam Dekker? Really? I would say that's highly debatable... Agree. Do you know something that is not public knowledge, Fran?
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Post by uwmfutbol on Mar 4, 2011 13:55:19 GMT -6
+1 To root for Wisky to do well is one thing. To state that you would take a bullet for them is another. Are we talking a flesh wound? Just kidding. I'm disappointed he didn't choose Wisconsin or, to a much lesser degree, Marquette, but it's his choice and more power to him. I don't agree with the logic that he owes something to the Badgers. I grew up in a Big Ten family but the Badgers were never indoctrinated on me--I started rooting for the Badgers because they're a fun program to follow. People should follow who they want to follow or play for whichever team they want.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 4, 2011 14:01:40 GMT -6
We don't compete with the Badgers for recruits?Are you kidding? If we ever want to be a national power, we need to get to the point where we can beat Wisconsin and/or Marquette consistently for recruits. And if we ever want to be taken seriously as a fan base, the segment of us that would take a bullet for Bucky has to be slim to none. Sorry if you disagree with that last part, but don't be disappointed in us because we won't accept it and just move on. The growth of the program is contingent on the de-canonization of Bucky Badger among our program, our students, and our alumni. Milwaukee first, Milwaukee foremost, Black and Gold forever. I'm not going to poke at you Fran for being a Badger fan; most people here know that you hold degrees, and rooting interest, in both schools. uwmbacker24, you say that being raised as a Bucky Badger fan exempts you from being 100% Milwaukee, but I can tell you that there's no chance you came from a bigger Badger-backing family than I did. Let me put it to you this way: did you know the words to Varsity when you were 5? I did. My wardrobe was full of Bucky-centric stuff, but I fell in love with this place. Now the only Badger things I own are my two Jim Leonhard jerseys, and that's because he's my favorite football player. Maybe it's best to just ask this question: what has that top-heavy skunk ever done for you?
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Post by uwmbacker24 on Mar 4, 2011 14:44:39 GMT -6
That top heavy skunk has given me some of my best sports memories. Dont get me wrong my best memory is the sweet 16 but out of my 10 top memories Bucky has a lot of them.
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Post by jaaz3 on Mar 4, 2011 14:48:48 GMT -6
Wisconsin already has a better player committed in the same class. Sam Dekker? Really? I would say that's highly debatable... +1, Tokoto just locked up his spot as the first McDonald's All American from WI since Butch, congrats to him. Some serious sour grapes going on the Badger boards about the kid's decision...serious sour grapes. The badgers will be fine either way, but the elitist attitude makes me sick. I hope we crush them next year, but I've hoped that for the last 8 years.
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Post by BBFran on Mar 4, 2011 15:58:36 GMT -6
Sour grapes? Not by me. I would have loved to seen Tokoto choose UW but Dekker is a better player right now and there is a very good chance he always will be. As usual, people focus too much on "athleticism" and too little on skill. Tokoto is years behind Dekker's skill level.
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Post by JG Panthers on Mar 4, 2011 16:07:26 GMT -6
Sour grapes? Not by me. I would have loved to seen Tokoto choose UW but Dekker is a better player right now and there is a very good chance he always will be. As usual, people focus too much on "athleticism" and too little on skill. Tokoto is years behind Dekker's skill level. Wow. I would respectfully and vehemently disagree with that opinion. I have a feeling I would be in the majority...
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Rawls
Junior
Everyone's Entitled To My Opinion
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Post by Rawls on Mar 4, 2011 16:31:26 GMT -6
As much as we hate those Marquette (and Wisconsin) fans that choose to demean us for our loyalties, we can't do the same thing. Most of us grew up with Wisconsin/Marquette shirts in our closet. Those loyalties die hard. The way to get people to bleed black and gold is to put an attractive product in the stands. Not telling people who they are and aren't allowed to root for. Winning conference championships makes people attracted to the product, so does a new arena (that's not someone else's throw away), so does things like the post game show at Goolsby's, so does great crowd environments.
Tokoto chose UNC because it was a better fit for him. He didn't buy in to the you're from here, you have to go here mentality. If anything, that repelled him. So too does that kind of mentality repel fans.
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Post by jaaz3 on Mar 4, 2011 16:36:38 GMT -6
I'll argue that if he committed to UW, the badger boards would be saying things such as: "Now we get to see what Kobe Bryant would have been able to do with Bo Ryan as his coach or how Kobe would have averaged 40 pts per game in the swing offense"
Instead we read: "Sam Dekker is better anyways" "If you need to call a press conference to announce your college choice, Bo doesn't want you" "He wouldn't fit in the swing offense anyways"
Again, I hope we crush UW-Madison next year.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 5, 2011 2:17:37 GMT -6
Those loyalties die hard. But die they must. We don't grow until we can grow a fan base that cares only for our program. The way to get people to bleed black and gold is to put an attractive product in the stands. Not telling people who they are and aren't allowed to root for. That's precisely the problem with what we've got going. We see the Panthers as a product we're trying to sell, but like backer said, he's not taking a bullet for Pounce, he's taking a bullet for Bucky. That runs deeper than enjoying a product on the court. We've had the conference championships in the past, and we ran dry and the people left. Our fan base has to accept that the Panthers are their rooting interest in college athletics, because if they're rooting for Bucky and Pounce, they're not really our fan base, are they. They're on loaner from Bucky. The fact is, you can't go down both ways. If you decide to be a fan of both Wisconsin and Milwaukee, and you decide that you will root for both equally, it can't happen. Sure, you can keep it up for awhile, but eventually, enough time passes where one doesn't have the success that the other one does, and you fall out of favor with the other. And in this Bucky-Pounce relationship, we all know whose success goes away first. So ten years from now, where does your loyalty lie? My guess is where the Rose Bowls and Big Ten games and 85,000 people go, you are soon to follow. Is the fandom of Milwaukee for many of these people not out of convenience? Because if they're fans of both, would they show the same take-a-bullet mindset if they were in Madison and defending Milwaukee? Of course not, because Milwaukee would never come up, and that's a problem. The thing that disappoints me the most isn't the "I'd take a bullet for Bucky" part, it was the response. As in, I love UWM, but my loyalties to UW from growing up preclude me from making the Panthers my primary team. I'm sorry to pick on you, but the same discussion going on in the other thread about growing our fan base has the same answer as this. We don't grow until Bucky is an afterthought, the same afterthought we are in Madison.
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