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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Dec 9, 2010 13:12:14 GMT -6
Can we please play Ryan Allen more!
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Post by gman2 on Dec 9, 2010 13:51:26 GMT -6
I can handle losses like the one against Wisconsin, they are a good team and right now we are not. I could even handle the loss against CSU. What has me irritated is the quote that is the basis for this thread uwmfreak.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Games&action=display&thread=5494. That attitude I cannot handle. That is an excuse plain and simple. The staff has three more games to get this figured out before the conference games resume. Three more games to figure out something that we all thought would be figured out by now. Is this last season all over again? |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Dec 9, 2010 15:21:10 GMT -6
It just seems like this team goes out there and hopes to win.
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Post by milwsport on Dec 13, 2010 7:42:18 GMT -6
Just once I would like to have a season where the rotation is decided before January. The last few years it seems that once that decision is made, the team plays better.
The question is why should it take so long?
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Post by Super King on Dec 13, 2010 15:42:15 GMT -6
We had a rotation -- Williams, McCallum, Boyle, Boga, Allen, Ajami, Hill, Meier, Kelm. Same rotation as now, give or take some minutes for Allen. Take a look at the significant minutes from game 1: espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=303162501Eight players got at least 19 minutes, with the rest being split amongst short stints from a few role-players. Considering that our starters were getting chewed up by Portland, I don't blame Jeter for trying to find a personnel package that worked, but the point remains: Our rotation now is essentially the same as it was at the beginning of the year. |
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Post by JG Panthers on Dec 13, 2010 16:34:30 GMT -6
We had a rotation -- Williams, McCallum, Boyle, Boga, Allen, Ajami, Hill, Meier, Kelm. Same rotation as now, give or take some minutes for Allen. Take a look at the significant minutes from game 1: espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=303162501Eight players got at least 19 minutes, with the rest being split amongst short stints from a few role-players. Considering that our starters were getting chewed up by Portland, I don't blame Jeter for trying to find a personnel package that worked, but the point remains: Our rotation now is essentially the same as it was at the beginning of the year. The big difference is Ja'Rob is getting double those minutes. That's huge for our offense... What baffles me is why we don't press. We have the personnel to do it (Ja'Rob, Tone, Ryan Allen) and they're completely underutilized... |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 13, 2010 16:54:22 GMT -6
I don't know about pressing.
What I have noticed is that Kaylon Williams appears to function better at a faster pace. Just something to consider.
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Post by JG Panthers on Dec 13, 2010 17:02:44 GMT -6
I don't know about pressing. What I have noticed is that Kaylon Williams appears to function better at a faster pace. Just something to consider. Biggest reason I wish for more pressure is the mere 6 turnovers we created against South Dakota State. Without uncharacteristically great shooting, we likely lose that game. I don't see much benefit to the token press we put on at times to cause the opponent to spend an extra second or three in the backcourt. |
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Post by Super King on Dec 13, 2010 17:41:17 GMT -6
Ja'Rob and Kaylon both love to go fast. Ryan too. A Williams/McCallum/Allen/Haggerty/Kelm package would fly down the court.
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Post by uwm97 on Dec 14, 2010 9:54:26 GMT -6
When Jeter played for Bo Ryan at Platteville, those teams got after it and played 40 minutes of pressure defense. Then Bo came to UWM and played a different way. Perhaps he thought he couldn't be successful in D1 using that system? Then Pearl comes in and proves - with Ryan's players - that it can not only work, but can work in dominating fashion. Why both Jeter and Bo got away from that style of play is a mystery. Bo's obviously been highly successful with his half-court, slogging style, but they ran teams out of the gym at Platteville.
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Post by uwmplanner on Dec 14, 2010 11:14:55 GMT -6
When Jeter played for Bo Ryan at Platteville, those teams got after it and played 40 minutes of pressure defense. Then Bo came to UWM and played a different way. Perhaps he thought he couldn't be successful in D1 using that system? Then Pearl comes in and proves - with Ryan's players - that it can not only work, but can work in dominating fashion. Why both Jeter and Bo got away from that style of play is a mystery. Bo's obviously been highly successful with his half-court, slogging style, but they ran teams out of the gym at Platteville. Two things: Other than Kentucky and Arkansas in the mid 90's name a D1 team that won a national title by pressing? Some teams still have success (like Tenn) but to me it seems like alot of teams have went away from that style. Secondly it always cracks me up when people talk about Bo's teams at Platteville. My brother played in the WIAC and I went to Oshkosh and watched a ton of WIAC games and by the mid 90's the Platteville press was really nothing more than token pressure. UWM97 your are right about when Jeter played(early 90's), they did pressure alot more and play an up tempo brand of basketball. But the end of Bo's tenure(95-99) at P-ville they were more of a halfcourt team and similar to what Bo did at Milwaukee and Wisconsin. |
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Post by PantherU on Dec 14, 2010 14:29:17 GMT -6
It's funny to hear a lot of grumbling about needing to lock down the rotation to 8 players, then hear that we need to play 40 minutes of press and run the ball like crazy.
I'm not against playing fast - believe me, I wanna see Williams push the ball. But you can't press 40 minutes a game without playing 10 guys.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Dec 14, 2010 14:39:43 GMT -6
Panthers have too many bigs, to be a pressing team.
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Post by JG Panthers on Dec 14, 2010 14:53:07 GMT -6
Panthers have too many bigs, to be a pressing team. That may very well be true mupanther. |
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Post by JG Panthers on Dec 14, 2010 15:00:18 GMT -6
It's funny to hear a lot of grumbling about needing to lock down the rotation to 8 players, then hear that we need to play 40 minutes of press and run the ball like crazy. I'm not against playing fast - believe me, I wanna see Williams push the ball. But you can't press 40 minutes a game without playing 10 guys. If we were a pressing team, I would fully expect to see 10-11 players seeing minutes. I don't expect to press 40 minutes a game either. We don't have the personnel to do that. But with specific lineups we certainly could. |
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