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Post by flipper clark on Dec 5, 2010 21:48:46 GMT -6
I have been to 4 Milwaukee games and 5 Marquette games this season.... I love College basketball.... I follow message boards for each program... this is my problem with Milwaukee. The product is not terrible, it is not good either... mediocre at best... my numbers forthcoming are educated guesses.... Jeter and Staff= 700k in salaries, then add another 900k for travel, recruiting, arena lease, scholarship $(board)... what are you getting in return??? I like Rob and his staff.... and kudos to him for his negotiation skills, but at that cost to the program??.... Bud and staff screwed up here!!! When is this contract ending, 2013? My advise is keep Rob and staff for less(what they are probably worth) or let's buy him out... and move on. On a side note... from the administration side, let's clean house there too... keep KJOC and get rid of the rest. What a bunch of come in late every morning, push some papers around, fire out a view emails, get some lunch, call it a day hacks.... which sums up the Men's Bball team as well.
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Post by Super King on Dec 5, 2010 21:55:32 GMT -6
We've been over this many times. Yes, Bud overspent. We know. But the season is young and Jeter has steadily improved our record over the last four years. He won 20 games last year. He owns two of Milwaukee's nine 20-win seasons, ever. Judge him when the year is over, especially since so many contributors are newcomers.
Man, we really are overreacting to the Cleveland State loss, aren't we? As an entire fanbase. Let's revisit this game when Cleveland State is 16-2 in conference play and ranked #20 in the nation. Lots of basketball left.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Dec 6, 2010 9:34:11 GMT -6
It hard to stand up for Jeter as the Panthers have layed eggs versus Portland, Western Michigan and CSU.
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Post by uwm97 on Dec 6, 2010 9:50:47 GMT -6
Cleveland St. is a good team, but come on, it's not as though we got crushed by Duke or Michigan St. To not even compete against a confrence opponent - at home - is not good enough. It's a game we've seen way too much of since this regime took over. With the talent on this team, a performance like Saturday's should not happen.
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Post by pnthr97 on Dec 6, 2010 11:22:05 GMT -6
Cleveland St. is a good team, but come on, it's not as though we got crushed by Duke or Michigan St. To not even compete against a confrence opponent - at home - is not good enough. It's a game we've seen way too much of since this regime took over. With the talent on this team, a performance like Saturday's should not happen. +1 The reality is that at least a couple times in each of the last few seasons, this has happened. To not even compete is disturbing. Having both Marquette and CSU absolutely DOMINATE us at the opening tip is awful. Either Jeter stops this from happening again and this program rises to the level expected, or it's time to cut ties. This team's inconsistency has gone on too long.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 6, 2010 11:30:40 GMT -6
But the team responded to the early onslaught against Marquette and rallied to within two points with 1.2 seconds left.
Saturday, the team showed absolutely no fight and appeared listless in a conference game, one that many here would call more important.
That's what makes these types of performances so baffling.
Someone who attended the Marquette and UNI games would wonder how on earth this team is 4-5.
Someone who attended with Cleveland State and WMU games would wonder the same thing.
That's about the only thing those two sets of games had in common.
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Post by PantherU on Dec 6, 2010 11:36:02 GMT -6
The Portland loss doesn't concern me as much as the FAU loss does.
The free throws are just part of it. We have now gotten out of the gate slow in several games - Portland, FAU, UNI, WMU, Marquette, and CSU. That tells me one of two things: the lineup at the beginning of the games isn't working, or the team isn't properly motivated. I'm starting to lean toward the latter.
I've said many times that the end of the 2010-11 season is when I'm ready to make up my mind about the Jeter era.
You will never hear me call for Jeter's head, or any of the coaching staff. But by the end of this year, without major improvement on the court, I will not defend them anymore from the Jeter-bashers and the Pearl-dead-enders.
The argument was made to me that Cleveland State is likely the best or second-best team in the conference. My response was this: Waters has been there for one less year than Jeter. He inherited J'Nathan Bullock and not much else. When is it OUR time to be the best team in the conference? By the end of last season, I have no doubt that we were the second-best team. But when will we sustain that over the course of the season?
These guys need to be motivated. Kick them into gear. The team is as talented as any in the league, but they aren't motivated to play. They are embarrassing themselves in too many games. If we had one or two embarrassing games, I'd say 'meh' and move on, because every team has a blah night here and there. But our guys are doing it way too much.
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Post by Hack on Dec 6, 2010 11:59:44 GMT -6
I posted this after the Western Michigan debacle ... This team is going to have its stellar performances like Niagara and its clunkers like tonight. It's been the M.O. of this program for the last 3-4 years ... ... and it looks like I can continue to copy/paste this for the near future. One hypothetical question that scares the beejesus out of me ... where would this team be WITHOUT the trip to Italy?
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Post by pnthr97 on Dec 6, 2010 13:46:55 GMT -6
We have now gotten out of the gate slow in several games - Portland, FAU, UNI, WMU, Marquette, and CSU. That tells me one of two things: the lineup at the beginning of the games isn't working, or the team isn't properly motivated. I'm starting to lean toward the latter. I don't care which of the two it is, but doing this for 6 of 9 games is completely unacceptable. Whether it's Jeter's fault or not, someone needs to be held accountable. He now has "his guys." He has no more excuses. The inconsistent play is still there. If this doesn't change within the next couple of weeks, and the season is turned around, it's time to move on and fire Jeter. I don't know him, but think highly of him as a person. But at this point, he's simply not getting the job done.
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Post by BBFran on Dec 6, 2010 13:54:15 GMT -6
We're 9 games into a 30+ game season. We can moan about it during the season all we want but it will do utterly no good. I'm just going to follow and support the team and see what they're made of the rest of the year. The coaches have not lost this team by a long shot. If each player digs in on every play -- particularly on defense -- they can still find the consistency they haven't found yet. Let's see how they improve during this very tough upcoming road stretch.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Dec 6, 2010 14:38:01 GMT -6
I'll be happy with a win at Madison.
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Post by BBFran on Dec 6, 2010 15:33:26 GMT -6
UW is the best or at worst second best team we will have played so far. A win would be great but I just want to see us play well. (Unfortunately I'll be in Denver so I'm going to have to find someplace with the BTN to see it at all.)
South Dakota State is a good team too. DePaul is not good, but playing any BE team on the road will be a huge challenge.
Tough stretch; the kids need to stay together and just keep working.
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Post by jaaz3 on Dec 6, 2010 19:16:16 GMT -6
Over these years under Rob and his staff, I have sensed a weakness in X's and O's and making adjustments to take what the defense is giving. At least the last half of last year and so far this year we have an established Identity that we are a team that wants to pound the ball inside. So at least there is some progress on that end....
At the end of the day we have enough talent that if we shoot 45% from the field we can keep up with most anybody. When we don't these are the results.
Portland L 34% FAU L 44% (Aided by 44% FT% on 34 Attempts) UCD W 50% NU W 48% UNI W 43% WMU L 29% MU L 50% YSU W 49% CSU L 29%
We are 240th in FG% (42%) 325th in FT% (58%) 227th in 3PT% (31%)
Need to shoot better, but again to my point, being weak in X's and O's sometimes means you can't get the right players the ball in the right spots to make them most successful.
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Post by formerseasonticketholder on Dec 6, 2010 19:18:30 GMT -6
I'd be very surprised to see an interim AD make a personnel move as large as replacing the head basketball coach.
Before a new chancellor and AD are hired I think Coach Jeter or a member of the staff would have to do something way out of bounds for a change to take place.
Also a mid-season change would be very unusual.
Love or hate Coach Jeter, he's our guy.
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Post by TBone on Dec 9, 2010 11:42:22 GMT -6
UW is the best or at worst second best team we will have played so far. A win would be great but I just want to see us play well. (Unfortunately I'll be in Denver so I'm going to have to find someplace with the BTN to see it at all.) South Dakota State is a good team too. DePaul is not good, but playing any BE team on the road will be a huge challenge. Tough stretch; the kids need to stay together and just keep working. Wish I would have seen this earlier. I would have recommended Chopper's in the Cherry Creek area or Sports Column downtown. Hope you're enjoying Denver minus the game last night. If you need any other reccos, let me know.
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