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Post by Pantherholic on Sept 5, 2011 15:31:13 GMT -6
Nope b/c they shouldn't. San Antonio is very different from us.
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Post by uwmfutbol on Sept 5, 2011 19:15:43 GMT -6
Both Wisconsin and Ohio are virtually entirely devoted to UW and OSU. Texas, on the other hand, has many reputable football programs, and therefore people are not as likely to be raised following only one team. That in itself is one significant and problematic difference. And you also can't ignore the fact that football is just that much more popular in Texas. In Milwaukee, people are much more likely to care about the Brewers than they are the Panthers or even Marquette. And that's ignoring the massive presence of the Badgers and Packers.
I'd love to see UWM football and would gladly donate to the cause, but I know we on this board are in the minority.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Sept 5, 2011 19:43:40 GMT -6
Yet another success story. Is anyone going to listen? one game or even one season does not make another success story. Most new teams or arenas have a honeymoon period that wears off over time. Do you really think anyone is going to go see a D1-AA (or whatever in the hell they call it now) UWM football game over a Wisconsin football game? That is the only argument I need to make everytime someone brings up WSU starting a football team. Having a D1 football program sounds great, but we live in the shadow of Ohio State football and we would never be able to draw a decent fanbase when most people would rather watch them on tv then go see a WSU game live. I think you would have the same problem with Wisconsin. Plus, there are many other D1-A/FBS in Ohio. Heck, UC of the Big East struggles to get attendance.
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Post by PantherU on Sept 6, 2011 15:15:10 GMT -6
Yet another success story. Is anyone going to listen? one game or even one season does not make another success story. Most new teams or arenas have a honeymoon period that wears off over time. Do you really think anyone is going to go see a D1-AA (or whatever in the hell they call it now) UWM football game over a Wisconsin football game? That is the only argument I need to make everytime someone brings up WSU starting a football team. Having a D1 football program sounds great, but we live in the shadow of Ohio State football and we would never be able to draw a decent fanbase when most people would rather watch them on tv then go see a WSU game live. I think you would have the same problem with Wisconsin. Comparing Wright State to Milwaukee as far as college football is concerned is laughable. Our endowment is $100 million more than yours, so football would be a significantly smaller percentage. You play in a state with over 10 D-I teams, Wisconsin has one. You have about 13,000 less students then we do, a football team in the city of Dayton (Pioneer League, but still exists). There's so many factors that give Milwaukee an advantage here, Do I really think anyone is going to see a Milwaukee game over a Wisconsin game? No. It would be ridiculous to assume so beyond about 2,000 people from the university. But where WSU would need to schedule around OSU and umpteen MAC teams, Milwaukee only needs to see Madison's times and then play clear opposite. Wisconsin plays at 11? See you in Milwaukee at 7 p.m. Badgers at 3:30? You'll be home in time from the 11 am Milwaukee game. These people in Milwaukee are so starved for football that they tailgate daily at Brewers games. I wonder how many people know how rare that is for any sport outside of football. If we were I-AA FCS, we'd be playing in the playoffs after Madison finishes its regular season and finishing the playoffs before their bowl game. Look at Old Dominion, a school whose football team started in 09 and is a university that is, almost to a T, identical to Milwaukee - slightly smaller endowment, slightly smaller enrollment, urban, public research school. Their lone advantage is basketball attendance, with a great 7,700 last year. What's the difference there? They don't compete with Marquette or the Bucks for basketball fans. In two years, they have failed to sell out a home game. 19,783 per game, good for 4th in FCS and probably would have more if they had a larger stadium. All this while, unlike UTSA or Charlotte, moving forward saying that the plan will be to stay in I-AA and play in the CAA. Is the honeymoon over? I think the ODU honeymoon was over a long time ago.
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Post by PantherU on Sept 16, 2011 19:28:40 GMT -6
I think we can all agree that the likely ceiling of a Milwaukee football team would be of a MAC level program.
Isn't it nice for a school like the University of Toledo to have the national stage on a Friday night? Since the supreme court ruled to allow schools to negotiate their own football contracts, ESPN and other channels (versus, fox) have made it easy for just about any of the 120 programs in FBS to make it to national television at least once during a season.
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Post by PantherU on Sept 16, 2011 19:56:28 GMT -6
I've also seen three different UT commercials about their academics that I'm sure is getting kids at least looking at their website.
If you look at football as an event put on for your campus community, then yes, they all lose money. If you look at it for what it is - the most far-reaching form of marketing available for the university - that will give you a HUGE reason not one of 120 I-A FBS schools has even CONSIDERED cutting football despite the heavy costs.
Two I-AA FCS schools have dropped - small, private schools who exist in cities with far more entertainment options available than Milwaukee provides. And not just overall - in football. Hofstra in NY and Northeastern in Boston are the only ones to cut the program despite the major costs...of 240 schools in D-I, only TWO have cut the program. In the time since they cut, there are FOUR new programs and another on the way at UNC-Charlotte
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Post by thunder2821 on Sept 17, 2011 23:18:43 GMT -6
whats up everyone, was googling "milwaukee panther football 2011" yesterday and this was one of the results. i must say, im impressed by everything thats been said in the 6 pages already, so i registered like 5 minutes ago. im currently a sophomore at UWM and i am on the club football team as well. its nice, dont get me wrong, but hell, itd be so much nicer if we had an actual program here.. id totally be up for putting together a presentation with a few of you and making it damn good and including a lot of the info from the links you all posted and everything, hopefully we could show it to Costello (the AD) and/or whoever else is influential. just a thought.
anyways, was just sayin hi and all as this is my first post.
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Post by PantherU on Sept 19, 2011 0:49:23 GMT -6
Welcome to the board. Check your PMs.
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Post by PantherU on Oct 25, 2011 9:24:33 GMT -6
Man I can't believe our undefeated streak right now.
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Post by PantherU on Oct 28, 2011 13:57:26 GMT -6
Drew Olson brings up the lack of a team on ESPNMilwaukee, as part of the reason high school football isn't as big in Wisconsin as it is in Texas, Ohio, and Florida. Link here
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Post by gman2 on Oct 28, 2011 21:29:26 GMT -6
The State of Idaho, population 1.5M, has three D1 teams.
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Post by PantherU on Oct 29, 2011 10:20:44 GMT -6
The State of Idaho, population 1.5M, has three D1 teams. 27 territories (26 states and DC) smaller than Wisconsin have more D-I football teams than this state. Edit: But I guess they're all football crazier than we are, so it wouldn't work here.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Nov 2, 2011 7:56:55 GMT -6
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Post by Hack on Nov 2, 2011 8:39:11 GMT -6
This how you go about doing things ... research and planning. Costello just gained more points in my book. And also looking into men's & women's hockey? My cup runneth over in admiration.
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mwu
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Post by mwu on Nov 2, 2011 8:44:41 GMT -6
This how you go about doing things ... research and planning. Costello just gained more points in my book. And also looking into men's & women's hockey? My cup runneth over in admiration. +1
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