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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Jul 23, 2021 10:42:59 GMT -6
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Post by Pantherholic on Jul 23, 2021 11:38:18 GMT -6
Brilliant logic by the Big 10 - in a world where football is the only thing, they go try to get a blue-chip basketball program with the worst football program in the P5. Not only that but they pursue a school that has investigations against both football and basketball.
Greg Sankey is the undisputed king of NCAA athletics and he’s 6 years YOUNGER than Kevin Warren!
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Post by nickpanther on Jul 23, 2021 14:00:46 GMT -6
The only way to stop conference shuffling like this is a big enough playoff that grants auto bids to division winners. So for instance winning the Big Ten West would put Wisconsin in the field and the seeding would be tied to their ranking by the Playoff Committee. Because without auto bids, we'll see 6 or 7 SEC teams every year in the playoffs, and if you thought the current format got old fast, the 12 team format would get old even quicker without tweaks . Instead of devolving control the NCAA needs to assert control over the playoffs in football like they do in all the other sports. Otherwise we'll see 4 major super conferences and 6 or so smaller conferences that get left even further behind than they already are.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Jul 23, 2021 14:08:31 GMT -6
NCAA doesn't run major college football, that is not going to change. The 12 team format will have the six higher conference champs. So, six at-large bids.
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Post by nickpanther on Jul 23, 2021 15:06:56 GMT -6
NCAA doesn't run major college football, that is not going to change. The 12 team format will have the six higher conference champs. So, six at-large bids. Even at 12 teams, football would have the smallest postseason field. The smallest playoff outside football is hockey which has 16 in the NCAA hockey tournament. Pretty much all other sports have 64 teams in their playoffs
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jul 23, 2021 16:10:17 GMT -6
Sounds like at least Kansas and Iowa State will be joining the Big 10!!!
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Post by BBFran on Jul 23, 2021 16:58:46 GMT -6
Barry Alvarez was just given some new position as the B1G’s football “consultant.” I assume what this really means is that he’ll be calling the shots on this, not Warren.
I would guess that we will start hearing a lot of Notre Dame to the Big Ten talk again, too.
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Post by nickpanther on Jul 23, 2021 17:59:10 GMT -6
Barry Alvarez was just given some new position as the B1G’s football “consultant.” I assume what this really means is that he’ll be calling the shots on this, not Warren. I would guess that we will start hearing a lot of Notre Dame to the Big Ten talk again, too. In terms of geographical fit, the Irish are a natural fit for the Big Ten. There were talks about bringing them in in the 1920s and 90s, and probably the 60s too. Adding them would allow the divisions to change the makeup. Right now, for instance Indiana has no chance in the Big Ten East,, not with Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State. Adding Kansas does nothing for the Big Ten in football but adds a perennial power in basketball
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jul 23, 2021 20:41:03 GMT -6
My understanding as a fan of both programs (UW & ND) is that the Irish wanted to join at the beginning and weren't admitted and since then have been both stupidly stubborn and of course not disinterested in the Big Bottom Line.
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Post by nickpanther on Jul 23, 2021 21:12:39 GMT -6
My understanding as a fan of both programs (UW & ND) is that the Irish wanted to join at the beginning and weren't admitted and since then have been both stupidly stubborn and of course not disinterested in the Big Bottom Line. as a long time fan of the Irish, that is my understanding as well. but independence is a dead end in a world where conferences have 16+ teams in them. they already are locked out of a bye in the 12 team format as the top 4 seeds are reserved for the 4 best ranked conference champs.
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Post by Pantherholic on Jul 25, 2021 20:59:19 GMT -6
1. The Big 10 won't invite any schools that aren't an AAU school. The research money that AAU schools gets is in the billions compared to the millions in revenue athletics brings in. 3. The Big 10 doesn't really seem to care about adding quality programs as they do about adding new media markets to increase the BTN's revenue. It's the reason they added dogs like Rutgers and Maryland. I don't think you will see them adding anyone from the Big 12 for that reason. They brought Nebraska into the conference knowing full well they were going to be booted from the AAU within a matter of months so exceptions have been made. On the whole, the B1G honestly doesn't care about winning national championships. Ohio State is the exception. The 12 schools who receive full shares received ~$54M each year. Grabbing someone like Iowa State or Kansas State will absolutely NOT add to that payout at all. Census demographics have shown that people are moving to the South or to the West. Schools like Colorado, Georgia Tech & UNC would probably be high on the list, regardless of the hurdles their admission would cause. All have pros & cons but really, it's a steep drop in "dream schools" for realignment after Texas & Oklahoma. Notre Dame's contract with the ACC as partial members prohibits them from joining any other conference until their current media contract runs out in 2032. The ACC doesn't have media rights for Notre Dame football which are the only rights that really matter. In a time where "outside the box" thinking should be mandatory, the B1G could arguably poach football, hockey and any other non-ACC affiliated sports until either the ACC dumps them or they come to some sort of settlement.
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Post by gno on Jul 30, 2021 9:05:52 GMT -6
Priority for big 10 is large populated states where there presently do not have a big 10 team. Basic revenue from Big 10 network is about 50 cents per subscriber (cable, satellite, etc). Kansas and Mizzu would be a good revenue addition. Any Texas, New York, Georgia, and or Florida team would be a HUGE revenue add. Iowa State, Pitt, ND, brings Zero additional tv revenue.
Oklahoma State may also be a reasonable target from a revenue standpoint.
Looking at this from a "Show me da Money" viewpoint....
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Post by JG Panthers on Jul 30, 2021 10:37:53 GMT -6
Priority for big 10 is large populated states where there presently do not have a big 10 team. Basic revenue from Big 10 network is about 50 cents per subscriber (cable, satellite, etc). Kansas and Mizzu would be a good revenue addition. Any Texas, New York, Georgia, and or Florida team would be a HUGE revenue add. Iowa State, Pitt, ND, brings Zero additional tv revenue. Oklahoma State may also be a reasonable target from a revenue standpoint. Looking at this from a "Show me da Money" viewpoint.... Seems like the move could be much bigger than that. With the B1G TV deal coming due in 2023, the Pac 12 should keep their head on a swivel. It won't be popular with a lot of fans, but the B1G going west and becoming a true coast-to-coast league will make them a formidable conference from a competitive standpoint and as Fox's answer to ESPN's SEC. Add 4-6 of USC, UCLA, Colorado, Cal, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, and Arizona and you have some of the top collegiate brands in the nation creating an 18/20-team "Super-conference", while still maintaining the academic standard B1G Presidents are looking to uphold. This is the most likely answer to UT/Oklahoma joining the SEC, IMO. I don't see them adding any of the Big 12 refugees.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Jul 30, 2021 11:11:03 GMT -6
With CBS losing the "SEC game of the week" TV rights in three years. One has to think with ABC/ESPN SEC and ACC heavy with the AAC. The Pac-12 & Big Ten could move away from ESPN and to FOX Sports & CBS Sports.
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Post by PantherU on Jul 30, 2021 11:34:33 GMT -6
2. Notre Dame's contract with the ACC as partial members prohibits them from joining any other conference until their current media contract runs out in 2032. Are you familiar with whether or not there's a way Notre Dame could buy out of that contract, and if so how much it would cost?
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