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Post by longtimefan on Dec 9, 2009 10:28:47 GMT -6
Too soon to hit full panic mode. (OK, it's pretty close.)
See if guys get healthier later in the years. Boyle, maybe. If epic-fail starters and seniors from last night kick it into gear. All you need is to get hot the last month of the season, and this team has shown flashes of that in the past. Sort of.
Remember the 4-4 Packers.
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Post by panthersteve on Dec 9, 2009 10:35:50 GMT -6
agree but lets get some toughness down low... I see guys like Meier and Hill who are almost uncontested and still can hardly finish a layup much less eve a dunk....never knock anyone down coming down the lane....our guards are kind of tough but have rocks for brains. talking abour Franklin, Ajami and Roberts. not the freshmen....not to say we have a buncn of pussies but man sometimes ....\a
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 11:35:35 GMT -6
I'll tell you what's most concerning: they ran the high-low with Franklin and Eayrs exactly ONCE last night. And guess what? It worked! I'm now beyond the point of really caring what recruits get brought in. We had some guys playing yesterday who were good enough to at least take Marquette down to the wire. While the talent level isn't where it should be overall, there are some pieces to work with. They're not being used properly, and last night crystallized that. I wonder what George Koonce thought of last night's performance. 100% agreement!
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Post by Rawls on Dec 9, 2009 12:30:45 GMT -6
I'll tell you what's most concerning: they ran the high-low with Franklin and Eayrs exactly ONCE last night. And guess what? It worked! I'm now beyond the point of really caring what recruits get brought in. We had some guys playing yesterday who were good enough to at least take Marquette down to the wire. While the talent level isn't where it should be overall, there are some pieces to work with. They're not being used properly, and last night crystallized that. I wonder what George Koonce thought of last night's performance. Hell, I'd take any kind of recognizable offensive set at this point. It just looks like they're in a pickup game at this point. Too many shots just thrown up there on a prayer, which explains the sub-par, sub-D1 shooting percentage as of late. It's not panic time yet, there's time to correct this. No one in the HL looks too remarkable, so correct this now. 1- Ja'Rob/Souter/Ajami 2-Te/Boga 3-Ricky/Riley/Tyler 4-Meier/Kamp/Hagg 5-Lumber/Ant/Bur
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Post by PANTHERfan on Dec 9, 2009 13:19:15 GMT -6
agreed 97... watching last night's game, it was clear to me we have players that can hang with MU, for a while a least, but they're absolutely lost on the floor. that's coaching. we DO NOT RUN AN OFFENSE. period. no offense. and just when it looks like we running some sort of an offense for one series there's either a line up change or a complete abandoning of whatever just worked that previous series. baffling.
i saw some scrappy defense last night and a desire to win on Milwaukee's parts. guys were taking charges, fighting through screens, and bumping down low. was it perfect? cleary no, but the effort and desire was there. how about coaching these kids up so they actually have a chance to win?!
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Post by uwm97 on Dec 9, 2009 14:11:04 GMT -6
how about coaching these kids up so they actually have a chance to win?! I think you've hit on a very salient point here, and the biggest problem with Jeter's tenure at Milwaukee: the failure to develop guys and coach them up. Look at the litany of players who left Milwaukee a better player when the showed up: Justin Lettenberger, Adrian Tigert, Chris Hill, Boo Davis, Dylan Page (perhaps the biggest one-year improvement I've seen on the team), etc. I'm sure I'm missing three or four additional examples. Well who in the last four years has improved once they started in the program? Sam Mauldin? Gone. Ryan Thornton? Gone. Tyrone Young? Gone. Jason Deutchmann? Gone. Roberts? Pretty much the same guy as he was two years ago. Ditto with Anthony Hill. Meier may have gotten stronger physically but his game looks no better. This is an abysmal record in this respect, and there's no two ways about it.
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Post by FTA1982 on Dec 9, 2009 14:50:07 GMT -6
how about coaching these kids up so they actually have a chance to win?! I think you've hit on a very salient point here, and the biggest problem with Jeter's tenure at Milwaukee: the failure to develop guys and coach them up. Look at the litany of players who left Milwaukee a better player when the showed up: Justin Lettenberger, Adrian Tigert, Chris Hill, Boo Davis, Dylan Page (perhaps the biggest one-year improvement I've seen on the team), etc. I'm sure I'm missing three or four additional examples. Well who in the last four years has improved once they started in the program? Sam Mauldin? Gone. Ryan Thornton? Gone. Tyrone Young? Gone. Jason Deutchmann? Gone. Roberts? Pretty much the same guy as he was two years ago. Ditto with Anthony Hill. Meier may have gotten stronger physically but his game looks no better. This is an abysmal record in this respect, and there's no two ways about it. I think this is the feeling of many Milwaukee fans. Not one player has gotten better under Jeter aside from maybe Averkamp who was a walk-on. And as for a rotation, he needs to stick to an 8-9 man rotation. I made it a point to count how many players saw the floor in the first half on saturday and the number was 11. Name me a "good" team that does that?
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Post by BBFran on Dec 9, 2009 15:02:56 GMT -6
You know guys, I am very sympathetic with the frustration, but you have gone from reasonable criticism to absurd hyperbole. We literally don't run an offense? No player has ever improved under this coaching staff? This thread has devolved into the fantasies of sports talk radio callers.
It's fair to say we didn't execute the offense well. It's fair to say that the rotation needs changing. It's even fair to say that the first two issues are the fault of the coaches, if you like. But the things you actually are saying are so foolish it just drains credibility from any opinion you express, reasonable or not.
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Post by PANTHERfan on Dec 9, 2009 15:31:46 GMT -6
Fran, while I agree to some degree with what you're saying (and you're right, it's born completely out of frustration) I guess I have to put the question back to you --- what offense is it that we run? I certainly don't see the Swing. Mostly I see a team that looks uncertain on about every other offensive series.
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Post by pantherpanther on Dec 9, 2009 15:32:03 GMT -6
Deonte disappointed me last night, and Saturday for that matter. Up until then, from what I had seen (and heard on the radio broadcasts), it seemed as though he had gotten his game up to a consisten level. The Deonte I saw last night reminded me of the wild kid from before. Don't know if it was him being too excited, or what, but a disappointment.
Sorry I can't get on board with the "we run no offense" argument. May not be an offense that folks like, but I find it hard to believe that these coaches and players go into practice day in and day out and receive no teaching/coaching of what to do on the floor.
We were sloppy with the ball. Some of it was caused by the defense of MU, which is really good. Most of it was bad ball-handling on our part. I'm not going to jump off a ledge right now. I want to see wins against NDSU and Miami of Ohio. I don't like losing to MU, as I'm sure no one else on this board does. I can respect the angry opinions because of this.
Here's to a nice win Saturday night.
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Post by uwm97 on Dec 9, 2009 15:50:49 GMT -6
The player development argument is, unfortunately, NOT hyperbole. If there is a player who has shown marked improvement under the coaching of Rob Jeter, feel free to share with the rest of us.
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Post by parkerj on Dec 9, 2009 15:54:51 GMT -6
Skinner
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Post by uwm97 on Dec 9, 2009 16:09:41 GMT -6
I'll agree with Skinner. He was a JUCO transfer, who are supposed to be ready-made, but that's fair I suppose.
Impressive list.
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Post by JG Panthers on Dec 9, 2009 16:15:15 GMT -6
James Dean
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Post by thepantherfan on Dec 9, 2009 16:18:39 GMT -6
I would say Ant Hill has improved. He may not be a GREAT player right now, but when he came into the program he was a soft 6'8 kid who was more comfortable playing 15' away from the basket. He went from a garbage minute freshman to a legit back up who could eventually work his way into the starting line-up this year. Everything he can do in the paint currently is a product of both himself (working hard in the off season) and the coaching staff. I was really happy that he showed up last night.
Just to be clear I am very unhappy with the progress of this team and I agree that the coaches are under-achieving. But I agree with Fran, I think a lot of this is frustration and some of us might be taking our criticism a bit too far. But I welcome all criticism, that is after all what this board is for.
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