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Post by PantherLou on Dec 3, 2009 9:52:51 GMT -6
Translation: He does not know how to play basketball and will be a huge project that may or may not contribute while at UWM. Either way, we'll be lucky if he gets it figured out by his junior year and is getting playing time. Why even waste your time being a fan if you're going to be this bitter and pessimistic? Pathetic.
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Post by PantherLou on Dec 3, 2009 9:55:05 GMT -6
As for Leek, I'm not going to oversell him because I've never seen him play. Obviously, if he could hit the 3-point shot reliably, he wouldn't be coming here. I do know that he is a 3-star recruit on a nationally renowned scouting service who was also offered by Houston of C-USA and DePaul of the Big East. Having followed the program for 20 years, I can tell you that it's a lot more exciting and generally -- but not always -- a barometer for a higher level of success when you beat out teams like DePaul and Houston rather than teams like Albany and Alcorn State. How many times have we beat out DePaul and Houston for a recruit? A smart and balanced opinion.
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Post by JG Panthers on Dec 3, 2009 10:31:40 GMT -6
Quote: "He's a very athletic, powerful kid," said Jeter. "He's a little bit raw offensively, but defensively he can really shore up our defense at that wing position. So we're very excited. I think he's a high-level athlete and we're excited to add him." Translation: He does not know how to play basketball and will be a huge project that may or may not contribute while at UWM. Either way, we'll be lucky if he gets it figured out by his junior year and is getting playing time. Haha, raar...I'm not usually one for name-calling, but this ignorant statement about a recruit you know nothing about and your utter cynicism makes you a complete idiot...and I think it's fair to say...this isn't the first example from you that justifies that statement.
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Post by panthersteve on Dec 3, 2009 11:03:31 GMT -6
Ghost of Dylan... agree with you...what I was trying to say and was not ripping on Porte and Tyler is just that those two were/are obviously projects and a lot further away. Tone and James were quality and ready from the start, further along. Still think it is appropriate bringing in Porte, Tyler and even Young but just stating the problem is that they have limited time horizon compared to someone who like them has excellent upside but is coming in as a freshman with four years instead of two. (like Leek) Also excited about pedigree of Leek and Kelm in particular and definitely recruiting is now finally getting more solid and consistent.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 3, 2009 11:46:24 GMT -6
Steve, we're on the same page. Given the choice, four-year players are preferable to two-year ones in almost all instances. The exception, I think, is when a team loses a player at a key position to graduation but returns everyone else intact. If there isn't a ready-made solution at that key position, go get a juco stopgap while a four-year replacement is being recruited.
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Post by panthersteve on Dec 3, 2009 13:33:32 GMT -6
agree - absolutely
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Post by thepantherfan on Dec 3, 2009 13:40:26 GMT -6
Quote: "He's a very athletic, powerful kid," said Jeter. "He's a little bit raw offensively, but defensively he can really shore up our defense at that wing position. So we're very excited. I think he's a high-level athlete and we're excited to add him." Translation: He does not know how to play basketball and will be a huge project that may or may not contribute while at UWM. Either way, we'll be lucky if he gets it figured out by his junior year and is getting playing time. Given your feelings about Big Lumber when he signed on, your above opinion must mean Leek is going to be sensational! Im sure you're still trying to finish off that mound of Crow you so desperately wanted when you ripped our coaching staff for recruiting a fat kid who couldn't play division 1 basketball. For some reason raar, I just don't trust your foresight anymore...
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Post by PantherU on Dec 3, 2009 13:49:58 GMT -6
Well we're all friends now.
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Post by raar on Dec 3, 2009 16:21:03 GMT -6
You guys get so defensive and angry, why?
Given the track record under Jeter I have every right to be skeptical. I've heard similar statements made about other recruits and I've seen them get to UWM and look as if they've never played organized basketball.
I hope I am wrong about Leek Leek.
As for Big Lumber, he's been better than I thought he'd be...but he does not even compare to the players we had 5 years ago (Tucker, Davis, McCants, etc). We've got to get better or we will always be thought of as inferior to UW and MU.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 3, 2009 16:38:02 GMT -6
And Tigert. Big James doesn't even remotely compare to A.T. with his ability to score on the low blocks, pass out of the double team, handle the basketball, shoot from the outside and make the other players around him better ... Wait a second. Yes, he does.
Look, skepticism is certainly warranted in some areas of the program, but when Rob and the coaches beat out the likes of St. Louis, Bradley, Houston and DePaul for recruits, I think that should at least be acknowledged favorably. Here's a simple question: Who's the most highly touted high school prospect the program has landed in its 25 or so years in Division 1?
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Post by thepantherfan on Dec 3, 2009 16:57:29 GMT -6
You guys get so defensive and angry, why? Given the track record under Jeter I have every right to be skeptical. I've heard similar statements made about other recruits and I've seen them get to UWM and look as if they've never played organized basketball. I hope I am wrong about Leek Leek. As for Big Lumber, he's been better than I thought he'd be...but he does not even compare to the players we had 5 years ago (Tucker, Davis, McCants, etc). We've got to get better or we will always be thought of as inferior to UW and MU. I'm not so sure winning will make us be thought of as not inferior to UW and MU, I think only when we can beat these programs consistently will that happen. Remember even the sweet 16 UWM team lost by 29 to UW that season. As for Big Lumber, I think it's a VERY bold statement to say that he "does not even compare" to those players. While they were a special group indeed, and James might not be as good or better than every one of those players, he is definitely comparable to them. Here are some numbers from their senior seasons, it should be noted that Lumbers numbers are more than likely a bit inflated due to the weak schedule thus far. Name Pts. Reb Ast TO STL BLk FG% FT% 3P%James- 17.6 7.9 1.3 1.9 1.3 2.0 .454 .769 .366 Joah-- 16.5 5.9 1.7 3.0 0.3 2.7 .460 .652 .291 Boo--- 16.3 5.1 1.2 1.7 1.5 1.9 .413 .768 .389
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Post by FTA1982 on Dec 3, 2009 17:12:41 GMT -6
In defense of Boo and Joah, there were 4 solid options on the team to score their senior year. Eayrs really doesn't have to share the ball with anyone outside of Franklin. Tucker would be a 20+ pt scorer on the team this year.
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Post by thepantherfan on Dec 3, 2009 17:45:18 GMT -6
In defense of Boo and Joah, there were 4 solid options on the team to score their senior year. Eayrs really doesn't have to share the ball with anyone outside of Franklin. Tucker would be a 20+ pt scorer on the team this year. While I understand what you are saying and I agree that Joah probably had less touches, one could also say that it's easier for a defense to Key on only 1 or 2 options, as opposed to the 4 options Joah's team had. Assuming Joah's points per attempt (1.31) remained consistent, if he were to attempt 429 shots (what big James is on pace for) he would end up averaging 18pts a game. James on the other hand scores 1.27 points per attempt thus giving him the 17.6 a game average over the course of a 31 game season, if he continues exactly how he is. Joah would need to take 473 attempts throughout the season to average 20pts a game which is possible but might be harder to do on a team that averages less attempts a game than the 05-06 team. Just food for thought. I think most of us associate those players with all of the success they had as a team. Since we haven't sniffed anything close to that type success recently we assume that all of our players must be inferior, I think we just haven't put a great team together yet. I think the reason they were so good 4-5 years ago is because they played so well as a team, not because the individual players were spectacular (which they were) But anyways, Cheers to building another NCAA tourny team!
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Post by apaladino on Dec 3, 2009 20:03:14 GMT -6
Show me a coach that has had every recruit pan out. Has Jeter missed on a few? You bet, but when teams from bigger conferences are going after a kid that WE land, how can you not be happy? Now he has to prove Jeter and Co. right!
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Post by thepantherfan on Dec 3, 2009 23:45:28 GMT -6
I agree with apaladino
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