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Post by buppie05 on Jan 14, 2009 20:42:05 GMT -6
Since the topic of this thread reads, "do you think this is still true 16 years later" I will say this
HELL YES
If that was a quote by steve antim, then it should carry some weight. I bet if you ask Rob Jeter the same question he will reply the same. WHY? Because those two men know more about mens college basketball than any of the people who are taking the time to contact espn and fox sports to have our name switched back.
Honestly if there were two bubble teams like UWM was back in 92-93, I would def give the nod to the non-hyphen team. I know there are other factors involved, but to me it says that the school whos team doesn't have a Hyphen probably cares more about college bball, and there fans do too.
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Post by writehooks on Jan 15, 2009 16:28:38 GMT -6
how many teams do you know that went to either tourney that wasnt even in a conference though? regardless of the record
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Post by uwmplanner on Jan 15, 2009 16:47:49 GMT -6
Being an independent and not affiliated with a conference we had no clout. I do think it is different for us today because we are in the Horizon league which is generally rated as 11th-14th best conference in the land. Indpendents D1 teams today are rated/thought of below the 32nd rated conference. Being in a conference makes a huge difference. |
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Post by uwmfansince1997 on Jan 16, 2009 11:03:22 GMT -6
It's easy to look at a 23-4 record and say UWM got snubbed and point to a simple excuse like a hyphen prevented a NCAA or NIT berth. However, let's delve into that 23-4 record, shall we? WESTERN MICHIGAN
| W 84-75
| NORTHEASTERN ILLINOIS
| W 94-78
| at Alcorn State
| W 91-76
| UW-PARKSIDE
| W 98-71
| at Wisconsin
| W 77-72
| NORTHERN ILLINOIS
| W 79-71
| WESTERN ILLINOIS
| W 92-71
| at Western Michigan
| W 74-63
| at Utah
| L 62-96
| at Northern Illinois
| W 82-57
| ALCORN STATE
| W 94-80
| FAIRFIELD
| W 75-59
| at Western Illinois
| W 76-67
| at New Hampshire
| W 86-70
| UW-GREEN BAY
| W 75-68 OT
| CAL STATE NORTHRIDGE
| W 78-65
| SACRAMENTO STATE
| W 96-44
| MISSOURI-KANSAS CITY
| W 73-57
| at Chicago State
| W 78-60
| at Missouri-Kansas City
| L 77-99
| CHICAGO STATE
| W 65-64
| at Northeastern Illinois
| L 86-91 OT
| at Cal State Northridge
| W 75-74
| at Southern Utah
| L 80-81 OT
| SOUTHERN UTAH
| W 66-56
| at Sacramento State
| W 78-76
| at UW-Green Bay
| W 61-48
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Not exactly a bunch of world-beaters on that list are there. And you can't say beating UW was much of a "quality" win in terms of getting a berth ... they were 14-14 that year. uwgb was having a down year in the midst of their successful run under Dick Bennett ... they finished 13-14. Point out one quality win on that list. You can't ... at least not quality wins the way the committee looks for them. Losing 3 of its last 8 games didn't help UWM, either. I don't mean to take anything away from that team or its players ... it would've been fun to see UWM in the Mid-Con that year against better competition with a much more realistic chance of getting to the NCAAs. Maybe you could say UWM was snubbed for an NIT berth, but that was before the field had expanded to 40. And then, you are brought back to losing 3 of the last 8 games when there was no room for error. No independent in its third year at the Division I level with that kind of resume was getting an at-large berth into the NCAAs ... hyphen or no hyphen. Looking at these teams at face value is not at all fair. We are used to seeing North Caroline, Duke, Conneticut as power houses. Although these teams are not present, I really can't say if these teams are good or not. First of all, if a Butler or Gonzaga, St. Mary's, College of Charelston, VCU, St. Joseph's and the list goes on was on that years schedule, you, me and many others would say who and the hell are these chumps. Thas what many individuals (casual fans) would say. That record is still an accomplishment, I can't say he/she should have recieved post season play. But, there are no guarantees in college, but conference champs. |
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Post by Hack on Jan 16, 2009 11:16:30 GMT -6
Those of us who followed college basketball at that time can attest those teams on that list were far from anything special.
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Post by uwmfansince1997 on Jan 16, 2009 11:46:46 GMT -6
I watched CB at that time and UW-GB with the Norgards were nothing to snuff your nose at. The N. Illinois team on there schedule was the same that went to the NCAA tournament a year before, Utah (R Majerus), Wisconsin. Some of the teams changed there name, but I'm sure I could muster up several more with some type of success.
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Post by Hack on Jan 16, 2009 12:04:00 GMT -6
Pointed out already ... UWGB was 13-14 that season (Jeff Nordgaard averaged 6.3 ppg as a freshman that season ... and I don't think Cheri Nordgaard is relevant in this discussion).
Northern Illinois was "decent" ... 15-12, second place in the Mid-Con (but a first round MCC tournament loss to 7-seed Valpo).
And Utah? You mean that team to which UWM lost by 34?
Teams changed names? Did Cal State Northridge become Gonzaga later on?
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Post by uwmfansince1997 on Jan 16, 2009 14:34:02 GMT -6
No, but did UWGB become something through the early ninetys? Did N. Illinois dominate the conference and/or contend for several years to come. I knew you would take the Gonzaga comparison to an uncomparible point. My point going back to the current issue was that just because these schools names and former conferences are moot, doesn't mean traveling across the country was an easy task, whether that name was Utah by -34, to CS-northridge. I don't know to many early programs that traveled for a buck to earn cash for the program...that's all.
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Post by uwmfansince1997 on Jan 16, 2009 14:35:38 GMT -6
No, but did UWGB become something through the early ninety's? Did N. Illinois dominate the conference and/or contend for several years to come. I knew the Gonzaga comparison would be taken to an uncomparible point. My point going back to the current issue was that just because these schools names and former conferences are moot, doesn't mean traveling across the country was an easy task, whether that name was Utah by -34, to CS-northridge. I don't know to many early programs that traveled for a buck to earn cash for the program..and have a respectable schedule...that's all.
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Post by Hack on Jan 16, 2009 14:43:33 GMT -6
I have no idea what you are trying to say, so I'll just add this ...  "Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules." |
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dutchpthr
Junior
ain't much if it ain't dutch
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Post by dutchpthr on Jan 16, 2009 14:50:31 GMT -6
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules." mark it zero dude..... |
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Post by uwmfansince1997 on Jan 17, 2009 12:40:11 GMT -6
crickets, crickets, crickets......Okay. Still didn't get the non-image/comment. So I'll call it a wash.
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Post by jumpman23 on Dec 30, 2017 23:18:18 GMT -6
Many schools are hyphenated...its just how each school decides to advertise it. Madison is still UW-Madison. UW-Eau Claire etc. Coach is just trying to rationalize what happened that year. As far as I can remember all the schools were D1. Parkside may have been a non conference game. We were ranked in the top 20 that year. I don't care what you say.. I don't know any weak D1 schools. We beat those teams bc we were waaay good. Ask me.. we could have went 26-1 only loss would be Utah because they were tough!!! UMKC had Tony Dumas.(NBA) Wisconsin had an all star team ..etc etc.
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