Wright State 2/5

[reggiewheelerfor3]

Forgive me if this has been discussed already, but how long does it generally take to recover from a knee injury like Swiggett has? I'm sure he wouldn't want to, but might he be better taking a medical redshirt year than pushing it? I mean, don't individual workouts start at the beginning of September?

[brewtownbrian]

From T Bone in this thread...

uwmfreak.proboards5.com/index.cgi?board=Games&action=display&n=1&thread=2966&page=1

"Depending on the extent of the injury, (only ACL, ACL + meniscus, ACL + MCL, etc.) surgery used, (hamstring to replace, patellar tendon to replace, "cadaver" ACL to replace) the success of the surgery, when the surgery is, and the rehab he could be back shooting and jumping between 4 and 6 months at the earliest. Maybe even earlier if they use a "cadaver" ACL to replace his.

I was back playing volleyball 4 months after my surgery. It took me a good three months later before I could jump without thinking about it anymore.

So, if he does indeed have a torn ACL, has a successful surgery within the next month or so, he should be back in time for the start of next season."

T

[BBFran]

reggie, I'm not knocking Pearl. He did an amazing job. But really, he built one team, and didn't have much behind it, whether he stayed or left. And relying on Jucos and transfers as Pearl did is a very chancy proposition. There are only so many Joah Tuckers who leave, then want to come home. The only four or five year guys on Pearl's team were guys Rob and Bo (and even Ric) had brought in. Rob is again building from the bottom with freshman recruits, then filling in with transfers. It's a different emphasis, and one I think will be fruitful for the program in the long run.

Look at Butler. That's a program, not just a team, because they built it the right way. That's what I'd like to see here, and why not? We have a great university in a great city, too.

[brewtownbrian]

bbfran said:

Look at Butler. That's a program, not just a team, because they built it the right way. That's what I'd like to see here, and why not? We have a great university in a great city, too.

Maybe this is a question best designated for its own thread, but...do you think Todd Lickliter (sp?) will get an offer from a major school if Butler continues to roll this season?

I'm actually surprised he has been there as long as he as without taking off for a bigger program.

[reggiewheelerfor3]

Hey, I'm with you. I would actually rather have the team built from the bottom up as well. I just think Pearl had a pretty good system in place, as his success at both UWM and Southern Indiana showed. He found great role players to fill in the gaps that needed to be filled in. He knew he had guys like Dylan and and Joah in place, and really only needed one other scoring threat, which he got in McCants. I just think if he would've stuck around, thing would've played out just fine. He knew what pieces he needed, and I have little doubt that he would've been able to get them. But yes, I'm sure this would've been a shaky year for a team under his direction as well.
That being said, I think the level of talent Jeter is bringing in is good. Guys need roles though. It seems like nobody has a defined role on this team, and maybe that's because there needs to be so many interchangeable parts the way the roster shakes down for now. It just wowed me the way guys like Jason McCoy, Pancratz, Big D (eventually), Lettenberger, etc. could play their roles so well for BP. Granted, the Swing requires less in terms of roles than it does overall balance.
Sorry I've gone on about this for so long. It's fun to talk about. Two totally different philosophies in coaching, style of play and recruiting between BP and Jeter. We know BP was and is successful. Here's hoping that Jeter is at least equally successful in the next two years or so.

[BBFran]

btb -- Good question about Lickliter. Obviously, Butler has lost some good coaches to higher profile programs, most notably Thad Matta. Butler isn't a bad job, however. Good school, storied arena, great recruiting area, and as we and Butler have shown, you can both get to and win in the tournament from the Horizon.

Didn't Butler's former coach who went to Nebraska recently come back to be BU's AD? I'm blanking on his name.

[Hack]

bbfran said:

Didn't Butler's former coach who went to Nebraska recently come back to be BU's AD? I'm blanking on his name.

Barry Collier.

[brewtownbrian]

I agree, Butler's a great school, in a great city, in a great basketball state and no doubt has its positive attributes.

I just have a hard time believing that ANY coach would turn down an opportunity to "move up" to a bigger program. Regardless of the program and/or coach...just thinking in general terms here.

I know nothing about Lickliter except that he always wears tan or gray slacks and a navy blue blazer, as opposed to the more traditional matching suit.

Seriously though, I have no idea what kind of guy he is or what he truly aspires to do in coaching. Maybe he's content staying at Butler for his entire career.

[dylanrocks]

That would be a question better asked of Wichita State's Mark Turgeon, Gonzaga's Mark Few and especially Creighton's Dana Altman. I just can't understand why, in this case, a Butler grad would be so happy helping take his program to the nation's top 10. Kidding.

[brewtownbrian]

I guess I forgot that Lickliter was a Butler grad. That makes a little more sense, I guess.

[mcdadenets50]

brewtownbrian said:

I guess I forgot that Lickliter was a Butler grad. That makes a little more sense, I guess.

One time Butler coach and current Ohio State coach Thad Matta is a Butler grad...he also proclaimed, "I bleed Butler blue" upon rumors he would bolt Butler for Xavier. We all know what happened next.

[uwm97]

reggiewheelerfor3 said:

Pearl was one for quick fixes, so I have no doubt IF he were the coach of UWM this year, this team would be heavily based on JUCO players...Plus, remember, Childress and Passley would almost certainly have been here and would likely have been sophomores with a year under their belts. I'm not criticizing what Jeter is doing, but let's not sell Pearl short with where the team may have been this year -- Almost certainly couldn't have competed with the likes of Butler, but MAY have had an extra conference win or two under their belts at this point.
Again, I'm not criticizing what Jeter is doing...yet. He is building from the ground up. Let's just hope his creation turns into a skyscraper rather than a mud hut.

Had Pearl never left, this team would be near the top of the Horizon League, if not leading it. There's no reason to think otherwise, absolutely none. We can get there in the next two years with Jeter, no question about it. But would UWM be 8-18 this year under Bruce Pearl? Absolutely not. The man could recruit and coach better than anybody in the Horizon League.

[BBFran]

"Had Pearl never left, this team would be near the top of the Horizon League, if not leading it. There's no reason to think otherwise, absolutely none. "

I beg to differ. Bruce was a very good coach, but he left the cupboard bare. Robbie did a VERY good recruiting job to replenish an empty tank. Don't forget that the heart and soul of every one of Bruce's teams were players recruited by Bo and Rob.

[brewtownbrian]

I may not have all my facts straight, feel free to make corrections...I'm sure they'll be abundant.

Here's a look at those players and how I recall things:

Joah - Pearl (came back to UWM after talking with Pearl and being unhappy at Bradley)
Chris Hill - Bo (recruited by Bo, but played more years under Pearl)
Tigert - Bo (recruited by Bo, he left for UW. Tigert stayed here and played 4 years under Pearl)
Boo - Pearl (a classic Pearl JUCO/transfer guy)
McCoy - Pearl (same thing, a solid transfer)
Pancratz - Bo
James Wright - Bo (b/c of injury played 2 years for Bo and 2 years for Pearl)
McCants - Pearl (one of Pearl's best finds during his time at UWM)
D. Ford - Pearl
Dylan - Bo (remember how good he was after Bo left?)
Jose Winston - Pearl (transfered after 3 yrs. in Colorado)
Kadima- Bo
Mielke - Bo
Frederick - Bo
Dan Weisse - Bo
Lettenberger - Bo
I know there's some more, who am I forgetting?

Bo laid the foundation, no doubt. And Pearl did a good job of capitalizing on the program's success after Bo left for UW.

I'd say Dylan and Tigert were elite "Bo guys" while Joah and Ed were elite "Pearl guys."

[mcdadenets50]

How about some love for Ric Cobb! Ronnie Jones and Clay Tucker were recruited by the Elevator Ric Cobb.

Pancratz was all Pearl.